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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Glauber Costa <glommer@redhat.com>,
	Ulrich Obergfell <uobergfe@redhat.com>, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC: 0/2] patch for QEMU HPET periodic timer emulation to alleviate time drift
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 15:14:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D4FF02F.2030309@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D4FEF81.1040603@codemonkey.ws>

On 02/07/2011 03:11 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 02/07/2011 06:34 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> On 02/04/2011 10:56 AM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>> >
>>> >  This should be a rare event.  If you are missing 50% of your
>>> >  notifications, not amount of gradual catchup is going to help you 
>>> out.
>>>
>>> But that's the only thing this patch is after: lost ticks at QEMU 
>>> level.
>>
>> Most lost ticks will happen at the vcpu level.  The iothread has low 
>> utilization and will therefore be scheduled promptly, whereas the 
>> vcpu thread may have high utilization and will thus be preempted.  
>> When it is preempted for longer than the timer tick, we will see 
>> vcpu-level coalescing.  All it takes is 2:1 overcommit to see time go 
>> half as fast; I don't think you'll ever see that on bare metal.
>
> But that's not to say that doing something about lost ticks in QEMU 
> isn't still useful.
>

If it doesn't solve the majority of the problems it isn't very useful 
IMO.  It's a good first step, but not sufficient for real world use with 
overcommit.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Glauber Costa <glommer@redhat.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ulrich Obergfell <uobergfe@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC: 0/2] patch for QEMU HPET periodic timer emulation to alleviate time drift
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 15:14:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D4FF02F.2030309@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D4FEF81.1040603@codemonkey.ws>

On 02/07/2011 03:11 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 02/07/2011 06:34 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> On 02/04/2011 10:56 AM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>> >
>>> >  This should be a rare event.  If you are missing 50% of your
>>> >  notifications, not amount of gradual catchup is going to help you 
>>> out.
>>>
>>> But that's the only thing this patch is after: lost ticks at QEMU 
>>> level.
>>
>> Most lost ticks will happen at the vcpu level.  The iothread has low 
>> utilization and will therefore be scheduled promptly, whereas the 
>> vcpu thread may have high utilization and will thus be preempted.  
>> When it is preempted for longer than the timer tick, we will see 
>> vcpu-level coalescing.  All it takes is 2:1 overcommit to see time go 
>> half as fast; I don't think you'll ever see that on bare metal.
>
> But that's not to say that doing something about lost ticks in QEMU 
> isn't still useful.
>

If it doesn't solve the majority of the problems it isn't very useful 
IMO.  It's a good first step, but not sufficient for real world use with 
overcommit.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-07 13:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2011-02-03 13:43 ` [RFC: 0/2] patch for QEMU HPET periodic timer emulation to alleviate time drift Ulrich Obergfell
2011-02-03 15:28   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-03 15:28     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-02-03 20:07     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-03 20:07       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-03 21:24       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-03 21:24         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-04  2:06         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-04  2:06           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-04  8:56           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-04  8:56             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 12:34             ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 12:34               ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 13:11               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 13:11                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 13:14                 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2011-02-07 13:14                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 13:23                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 13:23                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 13:34                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 13:34                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 13:41                     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-07 13:41                       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-07 13:46                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 13:46                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 13:48                         ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-07 13:48                           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-07 13:51                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 13:51                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 13:54                             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-07 13:54                               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-07 14:10                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 14:10                       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 14:28                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 14:28                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 14:43                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 14:43                           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 14:54                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 14:54                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 14:57                             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 14:57                               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 15:01                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 15:01                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 15:08                                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 15:08                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 15:13                                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 15:13                                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 15:17                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 15:17                                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 15:29                                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 15:29                                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 19:30                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 19:30                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08  9:11                                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-08  9:11                                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 15:20                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 15:20                                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 15:30                                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 15:30                                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 19:28                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 19:28                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 14:58                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 14:58                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 15:01                               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 15:01                                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 15:08                                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 15:08                                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 15:14                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 15:14                                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 15:16                                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 15:16                                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-07 15:22                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 15:22                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 15:18                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-04  9:52           ` Ulrich Obergfell
2011-02-04  9:52             ` Ulrich Obergfell
2011-02-07 10:44       ` Ulrich Obergfell
2011-02-07 10:44         ` Ulrich Obergfell
2011-02-07 13:24       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 13:24         ` Anthony Liguori

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