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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call minutes for Feb 8
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 15:11:22 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D51B17A.90408@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinBPLda0SLk4fZMF3EofLyAgnEEaYX2ykHUB-1R@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/08/2011 01:02 PM, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On 8 February 2011 17:13, Markus Armbruster<armbru@redhat.com>  wrote:
>    
>> As far as qdev's concerned, I can see two kinds of to-dos:
>>
>> * Further develop qdev so that more of the machine init code can becomes
>>   qdev declarations.  Specific ideas welcome.  Patches even more, as
>>   always.
>>
>> * Convert the remaining devices.  They are typically used only with
>>   oddball machines, which makes the conversion hard to test for anyone
>>   who's not already using them.
>>
>>   I've said this before: at some point in time (sooner rather than
>>   later, if you ask me), we need to shoot the stragglers.  I'm pretty
>>   optimistic that any victims worth keeping will receive timely
>>   attention then.
>>      
> So on IRC pbrook wrote:
> <pbrook>  So we have a bunch of devices that nominally claim to use the
> qdev infrastructure, but are still making assumptions that qdev was
> supposed to remove, so break horribly when you actually try to use it
> as intended.
>
> ...and my question is: where is the documentation on how to do
> a good conversion of a device to qdev, how it works, what the
> assumptions you can/can't make are, etc ?

It's basically good OOP modelling and the way qdev is structured today 
makes it very easy to do bad OOP modelling.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>   I can't see anything
> relevant in the source tree or on the website, but maybe I'm just
> looking in the wrong places...
>
> -- PMM
>
>    


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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@redhat.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call minutes for Feb 8
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 15:11:22 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D51B17A.90408@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinBPLda0SLk4fZMF3EofLyAgnEEaYX2ykHUB-1R@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/08/2011 01:02 PM, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On 8 February 2011 17:13, Markus Armbruster<armbru@redhat.com>  wrote:
>    
>> As far as qdev's concerned, I can see two kinds of to-dos:
>>
>> * Further develop qdev so that more of the machine init code can becomes
>>   qdev declarations.  Specific ideas welcome.  Patches even more, as
>>   always.
>>
>> * Convert the remaining devices.  They are typically used only with
>>   oddball machines, which makes the conversion hard to test for anyone
>>   who's not already using them.
>>
>>   I've said this before: at some point in time (sooner rather than
>>   later, if you ask me), we need to shoot the stragglers.  I'm pretty
>>   optimistic that any victims worth keeping will receive timely
>>   attention then.
>>      
> So on IRC pbrook wrote:
> <pbrook>  So we have a bunch of devices that nominally claim to use the
> qdev infrastructure, but are still making assumptions that qdev was
> supposed to remove, so break horribly when you actually try to use it
> as intended.
>
> ...and my question is: where is the documentation on how to do
> a good conversion of a device to qdev, how it works, what the
> assumptions you can/can't make are, etc ?

It's basically good OOP modelling and the way qdev is structured today 
makes it very easy to do bad OOP modelling.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>   I can't see anything
> relevant in the source tree or on the website, but maybe I'm just
> looking in the wrong places...
>
> -- PMM
>
>    

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-08 21:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-08 15:55 KVM call minutes for Feb 8 Chris Wright
2011-02-08 15:55 ` [Qemu-devel] " Chris Wright
2011-02-08 16:14 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-08 16:14   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-08 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 16:39   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 17:13 ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-08 17:13   ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-08 19:02   ` Peter Maydell
2011-02-08 21:11     ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2011-02-08 21:11       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-09  8:11     ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-09  8:20       ` Peter Maydell
2011-02-09  9:02         ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-08 19:30   ` Alexander Graf
2011-02-08 19:30   ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-09  8:23     ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-09 10:43     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-09 10:43       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-09 17:38       ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-09 17:38         ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-08 21:12   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-09  8:01     ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-09 10:31       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-09 12:28         ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-09 14:44           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-09 17:48             ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-09 17:48               ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-09 19:53               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-09 19:59               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-09 20:15                 ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-10  7:47                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-10  8:16                     ` Peter Maydell
2011-02-10  8:36                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-10  9:04                         ` Peter Maydell
2011-02-10 10:13                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-10 10:38                             ` Peter Maydell
2011-02-10 11:24                               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-10 11:24                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-10 12:23                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-10 13:06                                 ` Peter Maydell
2011-02-10 19:17                       ` Scott Wood
2011-02-10 19:17                         ` Scott Wood
2011-02-10 19:22                         ` Peter Maydell
2011-02-10 19:22                           ` Peter Maydell
2011-02-10 19:29                           ` Scott Wood
2011-02-10 19:29                             ` Scott Wood
2011-02-10  9:07                     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-10 10:00                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-10 10:10                         ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-10 10:19                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-10 10:49                             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-10 12:47                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-10 13:12                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-10 10:25                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-10 10:25                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-10 11:13                         ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-10 11:13                           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-10 12:51                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-10 12:51                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-10 13:00                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-10 13:00                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-10 13:29                               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-10 13:29                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-10 14:00                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-10 14:00                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-10 13:27                             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-10 13:27                               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-10 14:04                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-10 14:20                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-10 16:05                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-11 18:14                                     ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-11 18:14                                       ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-13  9:24                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-13  9:24                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-13 15:31                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-13 15:31                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-13 19:37                                         ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-13 19:37                                           ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-13 19:57                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-13 19:57                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-13 21:00                                             ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-13 21:00                                               ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-13 22:42                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-13 22:42                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-14 17:31                                                 ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-14 17:31                                                   ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-14 20:53                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-14 20:53                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-14 21:25                                                     ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-14 21:25                                                       ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-14 21:47                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-14 21:47                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-15 17:11                                                         ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-15 17:11                                                           ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-15 23:07                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-15 23:07                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-16  9:52                                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-16  9:52                                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-14  9:44                                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-14  9:44                                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-10 10:29                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-13 15:38                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-13 15:38                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-13 15:56                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-13 16:56                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-13 18:08                             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-13 18:08                               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-13 19:38                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-14 10:23                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-13 21:24                             ` Peter Maydell
2011-02-13 21:24                               ` Peter Maydell
2011-02-13 22:43                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-13 22:43                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-13 23:35                                 ` Peter Maydell
2011-02-13 15:39                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-13 15:39                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-11 17:54                     ` Blue Swirl

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