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From: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>
To: "Pádraig Brady" <P@draigBrady.com>
Cc: xfs-oss <xfs@oss.sgi.com>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, coreutils@gnu.org,
	Markus Trippelsdorf <markus@trippelsdorf.de>
Subject: Re: Files full of zeros with coreutils-8.11 and xfs (FIEMAP related?)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:56:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DA71920.9@sandeen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DA7182B.8050409@draigBrady.com>

On 4/14/11 10:52 AM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> On 14/04/11 16:50, Eric Sandeen wrote:
>> On 4/14/11 9:59 AM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
>>> On 14/04/11 15:02, Markus Trippelsdorf wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Pádraig,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> here you go:
>>>>>> + filefrag -v unwritten.withdata                                                                                                                     
>>>>>> Filesystem type is: ef53                                                                                                                             
>>>>>> File size of unwritten.withdata is 5120 (2 blocks, blocksize 4096)                                                                                   
>>>>>>  ext logical physical expected length flags                                                                                                          
>>>>>>    0       0   274432            2560 unwritten,eof                                                                                                  
>>>>>> unwritten.withdata: 1 extent found
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please notice that this also happens with ext4 on the same kernel. 
>>>>>> Btrfs is fine.
>>>>>
>>>> `filefrag -vs` fixes the issue on both xfs and ext4.
>>>
>>> So in summary, currently on (2.6.39-rc3), the following
>>> will (usually?) report a single unwritten extent,
>>> on both ext4 and xfs
>>>
>>>   fallocate -l 10MiB -n k
>>>   dd count=10 if=/dev/urandom conv=notrunc iflag=fullblock of=k
>>>   filefrag -v k # grep for an extent without unwritten || fail
>>
>> right, that's what I see too in testing.
>>
>> But would the coreutils install have done a preallocation of the destination file?
>>
>> Otherwise this looks like a different bug...
>>
>>> This particular issue has been discussed so far at:
>>> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=8411
>>> Note there it was stated there that ext4 had this
>>> fixed as of 2.6.39-rc1, so maybe there is something lurking?
>>
>> ext4 got a fix, but not xfs, I guess.  My poor brain can't remember, I think I started looking into it, but it's clearly still broken.
>>
>> Still, I don't know for sure what happened to Markus - did something preallocate, in his case?
> 
> Well that preallocate test is failing for him
> when the source file is either on ext4 or xfs.
> He noticed the issue initially on XFS when copying
> none preallocated files, so XFS probably just has
> the general issue of needing a sync before fiemap,
> where as EXT4 just has this preallocate one
> (though I've not seen it myself).
> 
> cheers,
> Pádraig.
> 

well, if I simply take the preallocation step out of the testcase, it works fine on xfs without a sync.

So I still don't know what Markus hit...

-Eric
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From: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>
To: "Pádraig Brady" <P@draigBrady.com>
Cc: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, coreutils@gnu.org,
	Markus Trippelsdorf <markus@trippelsdorf.de>,
	xfs-oss <xfs@oss.sgi.com>
Subject: Re: Files full of zeros with coreutils-8.11 and xfs (FIEMAP related?)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:56:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DA71920.9@sandeen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DA7182B.8050409@draigBrady.com>

On 4/14/11 10:52 AM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> On 14/04/11 16:50, Eric Sandeen wrote:
>> On 4/14/11 9:59 AM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
>>> On 14/04/11 15:02, Markus Trippelsdorf wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Pádraig,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> here you go:
>>>>>> + filefrag -v unwritten.withdata                                                                                                                     
>>>>>> Filesystem type is: ef53                                                                                                                             
>>>>>> File size of unwritten.withdata is 5120 (2 blocks, blocksize 4096)                                                                                   
>>>>>>  ext logical physical expected length flags                                                                                                          
>>>>>>    0       0   274432            2560 unwritten,eof                                                                                                  
>>>>>> unwritten.withdata: 1 extent found
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please notice that this also happens with ext4 on the same kernel. 
>>>>>> Btrfs is fine.
>>>>>
>>>> `filefrag -vs` fixes the issue on both xfs and ext4.
>>>
>>> So in summary, currently on (2.6.39-rc3), the following
>>> will (usually?) report a single unwritten extent,
>>> on both ext4 and xfs
>>>
>>>   fallocate -l 10MiB -n k
>>>   dd count=10 if=/dev/urandom conv=notrunc iflag=fullblock of=k
>>>   filefrag -v k # grep for an extent without unwritten || fail
>>
>> right, that's what I see too in testing.
>>
>> But would the coreutils install have done a preallocation of the destination file?
>>
>> Otherwise this looks like a different bug...
>>
>>> This particular issue has been discussed so far at:
>>> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=8411
>>> Note there it was stated there that ext4 had this
>>> fixed as of 2.6.39-rc1, so maybe there is something lurking?
>>
>> ext4 got a fix, but not xfs, I guess.  My poor brain can't remember, I think I started looking into it, but it's clearly still broken.
>>
>> Still, I don't know for sure what happened to Markus - did something preallocate, in his case?
> 
> Well that preallocate test is failing for him
> when the source file is either on ext4 or xfs.
> He noticed the issue initially on XFS when copying
> none preallocated files, so XFS probably just has
> the general issue of needing a sync before fiemap,
> where as EXT4 just has this preallocate one
> (though I've not seen it myself).
> 
> cheers,
> Pádraig.
> 

well, if I simply take the preallocation step out of the testcase, it works fine on xfs without a sync.

So I still don't know what Markus hit...

-Eric

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Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-14 10:26 Files full of zeros with coreutils-8.11 and xfs (FIEMAP related?) Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-04-14 12:06 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-04-14 14:02   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
     [not found]     ` <20110414140222.GB1679-tLCgZGx+iJ+kxVt8IV0GqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 14:59       ` Pádraig Brady
2011-04-14 14:59         ` Pádraig Brady
     [not found]         ` <4DA70BD3.1070409-V8g9lnOeT5ydJdNcDFJN0w@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 15:50           ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-14 15:50             ` Eric Sandeen
     [not found]             ` <4DA717B2.3020305-+82itfer+wXR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 15:52               ` Pádraig Brady
2011-04-14 15:52                 ` Pádraig Brady
2011-04-14 15:56                 ` Eric Sandeen [this message]
2011-04-14 15:56                   ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-14 16:03                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-04-14 16:03                     ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-04-14 16:14                     ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-14 16:14                       ` Eric Sandeen
     [not found]                     ` <20110414160343.GA12787-tLCgZGx+iJ+kxVt8IV0GqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 16:21                       ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-14 16:21                         ` Yongqiang Yang
     [not found]                         ` <BANLkTimRxvBMp9M7zwiUY_UmmFOY5N58+A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 16:28                           ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-04-14 16:28                             ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-04-14 16:31                             ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-14 16:31                               ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-14 16:48                               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-04-14 16:48                                 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-04-14 16:49                                 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-14 16:49                                   ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-14 16:04                   ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-14 16:04                     ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-14 16:10                     ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-14 16:10                       ` Yongqiang Yang
     [not found]                       ` <BANLkTimoLeWMJgNFGW+zdeUeJyZ-_+8fMQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-05 11:29                         ` Pádraig Brady
2011-05-05 11:29                           ` Pádraig Brady
2011-05-05 11:47                           ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-05-05 11:47                             ` Yongqiang Yang
     [not found]                 ` <4DA7182B.8050409-V8g9lnOeT5ydJdNcDFJN0w@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 17:27                   ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-14 17:27                     ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-14 19:13                     ` Pádraig Brady
2011-04-14 19:13                       ` Pádraig Brady
     [not found]                     ` <878vvcspz0.fsf-CybKA8TIZ99x3y/oJEDuiw@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 19:39                       ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-14 19:39                         ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-14 22:59             ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-14 23:29               ` Pádraig Brady
2011-04-14 23:29                 ` Pádraig Brady
2011-04-15  0:09                 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-15  0:09                   ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-15  5:01                   ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-15  5:01                     ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-16  0:50                     ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-16  0:50                       ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-16  5:11                       ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-16  5:11                         ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-16 12:21                         ` Theodore Tso
2011-04-16 12:21                           ` Theodore Tso
2011-04-18  0:40                           ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-18  0:40                             ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-18  2:45                             ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-18  2:45                               ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-19  1:58                               ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-19  1:58                                 ` Yongqiang Yang
     [not found]                                 ` <BANLkTin=WEpSf6ddiOMNMOpCPP-wiEttSw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-19  2:59                                   ` Ted Ts'o
2011-04-19  2:59                                     ` Ted Ts'o
     [not found]                                     ` <20110419025949.GA3030-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-19  3:05                                       ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-19  3:05                                         ` Eric Sandeen
     [not found]                                         ` <4DACFBEB.9040909-+82itfer+wXR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-21 20:12                                           ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-21 20:12                                             ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-19  3:30                                     ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-19  3:30                                       ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-19  4:14                                     ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19  4:14                                       ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19  5:27                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-19  5:27                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-19  3:44                                 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19  3:44                                   ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19  6:53                                   ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-19  6:53                                     ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-19  7:45                                     ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19  7:45                                       ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19  8:11                                       ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-19  8:11                                         ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-19 14:05                                         ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-19 14:05                                           ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-19 14:09                                       ` Ted Ts'o
2011-04-19 14:09                                         ` Ted Ts'o
2011-04-19 14:13                                         ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-19 14:13                                           ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-19 16:01                                           ` Ted Ts'o
2011-04-19 16:01                                             ` Ted Ts'o
2011-04-20  1:53                                             ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-20  1:53                                               ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-20 15:21                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-20 15:21                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-20 17:21                                               ` Ted Ts'o
2011-04-20 17:21                                                 ` Ted Ts'o
     [not found]                                         ` <20110419140909.GD3030-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-19 21:08                                           ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19 21:08                                             ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-20 15:29                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-20 15:29                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-16  6:05                       ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-16  6:05                         ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-18  0:35                         ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-18  0:35                           ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-15  8:53                   ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-15  8:53                     ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-15 17:16                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-15 17:16                       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                       ` <20110415171629.GA9088-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-15 17:24                         ` Eric Blake
2011-04-15 17:24                           ` Eric Blake
2011-04-15 17:26                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-15 17:26                             ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                             ` <20110415172603.GA20086-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-15 22:28                               ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-15 22:28                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-16  0:25                                 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-16  0:25                                   ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-14 14:39 ` Eric Sandeen
     [not found] ` <20110414102608.GA1678-tLCgZGx+iJ+kxVt8IV0GqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-20 14:39   ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-20 14:39     ` Jim Meyering
     [not found]     ` <87d3khugv1.fsf-CybKA8TIZ99x3y/oJEDuiw@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-21 20:01       ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-21 20:01         ` Jim Meyering

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