From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: "Roedel, Joerg" <Joerg.Roedel@amd.com>
Cc: john cooper <john.cooper@redhat.com>,
Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
Nadav Har'El <nyh@math.technion.ac.il>, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: drop -enable-nesting
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 17:15:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DE3B4A5.6050509@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110530151020.GB7855@amd.com>
On 2011-05-30 17:10, Roedel, Joerg wrote:
> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:04:02AM -0400, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> On 2011-05-30 16:38, Nadav Har'El wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 30, 2011, Jan Kiszka wrote about "drop -enable-nesting (was: [PATCH 3/7] cpu model bug fixes and definition corrections...)":
>>>> On 2011-05-30 10:18, Roedel, Joerg wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 04:39:13AM -0400, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> J�rg, how to deal with -enable-nesting in qemu-kvm to align behavior
>>>>>> with upstream?
>>>>>
>>>>> My personal preference is to just remove it. In upstream-qemu it is
>>>>> enabled/disabled by +/-svm. -enable-nesting is just a historic thing
>>>>> which can be wiped out.
>>>
>>> "-enable-nesting" could remain as a synonym for enabling either VMX or SVM
>>> in the guest, depending on what was available in the host (because KVM now
>>> supports both nested SVM and nested VMX, but not SVM-on-VMX or vice versa).
>>
>> Why? Once nesting is stable (I think SVM already is), there is no reason
>> for an explicit enable. And you can always mask it out via -cpu.
>>
>> BTW, what are the defaults for SVM right now in qemu-kvm and upstream?
>> Enable if the modeled CPU supports it?
>
> qemu-kvm still needs -enable-nesting, otherwise it is disabled. Upstream
> qemu should enable it unconditionally (can be disabled with -cpu ,-svm).
Then let's start with aligning qemu-kvm defaults to upstream? I guess
that's what the diff I was citing yesterday is responsible for.
In the same run, -enable-nesting could dump a warning on the console
that this switch is obsolete and will be removed from future versions.
For VMX, I would suggest to keep it off by default until it matured,
asking the user to issue -cpu ...,+vmx.
Jan
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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: "Roedel, Joerg" <Joerg.Roedel@amd.com>
Cc: john cooper <john.cooper@redhat.com>,
Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
Nadav Har'El <nyh@math.technion.ac.il>, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] drop -enable-nesting
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 17:15:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DE3B4A5.6050509@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110530151020.GB7855@amd.com>
On 2011-05-30 17:10, Roedel, Joerg wrote:
> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:04:02AM -0400, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> On 2011-05-30 16:38, Nadav Har'El wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 30, 2011, Jan Kiszka wrote about "drop -enable-nesting (was: [PATCH 3/7] cpu model bug fixes and definition corrections...)":
>>>> On 2011-05-30 10:18, Roedel, Joerg wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 04:39:13AM -0400, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> J�rg, how to deal with -enable-nesting in qemu-kvm to align behavior
>>>>>> with upstream?
>>>>>
>>>>> My personal preference is to just remove it. In upstream-qemu it is
>>>>> enabled/disabled by +/-svm. -enable-nesting is just a historic thing
>>>>> which can be wiped out.
>>>
>>> "-enable-nesting" could remain as a synonym for enabling either VMX or SVM
>>> in the guest, depending on what was available in the host (because KVM now
>>> supports both nested SVM and nested VMX, but not SVM-on-VMX or vice versa).
>>
>> Why? Once nesting is stable (I think SVM already is), there is no reason
>> for an explicit enable. And you can always mask it out via -cpu.
>>
>> BTW, what are the defaults for SVM right now in qemu-kvm and upstream?
>> Enable if the modeled CPU supports it?
>
> qemu-kvm still needs -enable-nesting, otherwise it is disabled. Upstream
> qemu should enable it unconditionally (can be disabled with -cpu ,-svm).
Then let's start with aligning qemu-kvm defaults to upstream? I guess
that's what the diff I was citing yesterday is responsible for.
In the same run, -enable-nesting could dump a warning on the console
that this switch is obsolete and will be removed from future versions.
For VMX, I would suggest to keep it off by default until it matured,
asking the user to issue -cpu ...,+vmx.
Jan
--
Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT T DE IT 1
Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-30 15:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-23 21:46 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/7] cpu model bug fixes and definition corrections: Add kvm emulated x2apic flag to config defined cpu models john cooper
2011-05-28 8:39 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 8:18 ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-05-30 14:04 ` drop -enable-nesting (was: [PATCH 3/7] cpu model bug fixes and definition corrections...) Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 14:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 14:38 ` Nadav Har'El
2011-05-30 14:38 ` [Qemu-devel] " Nadav Har'El
2011-05-30 15:04 ` drop -enable-nesting Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 15:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 15:10 ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-05-30 15:10 ` [Qemu-devel] " Roedel, Joerg
2011-05-30 15:15 ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2011-05-30 15:15 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 15:19 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-30 15:19 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-05-30 15:27 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 15:42 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-05-31 8:44 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-05-31 8:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2011-05-31 8:58 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-31 8:58 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-05-31 9:06 ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-05-31 9:06 ` [Qemu-devel] " Roedel, Joerg
2011-05-31 9:15 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-05-31 9:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2011-05-31 9:16 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-31 9:16 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-05-30 15:16 ` Nadav Har'El
2011-05-30 15:16 ` [Qemu-devel] " Nadav Har'El
2011-05-30 15:59 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
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