From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: "Roedel, Joerg" <Joerg.Roedel@amd.com>,
"Nadav Har'El" <nyh@math.technion.ac.il>,
john cooper <john.cooper@redhat.com>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: drop -enable-nesting
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 18:19:14 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DE3B572.6030105@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DE3B4A5.6050509@siemens.com>
On 05/30/2011 06:15 PM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> On 2011-05-30 17:10, Roedel, Joerg wrote:
> > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:04:02AM -0400, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> >> On 2011-05-30 16:38, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> >>> On Mon, May 30, 2011, Jan Kiszka wrote about "drop -enable-nesting (was: [PATCH 3/7] cpu model bug fixes and definition corrections...)":
> >>>> On 2011-05-30 10:18, Roedel, Joerg wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 04:39:13AM -0400, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> J�rg, how to deal with -enable-nesting in qemu-kvm to align behavior
> >>>>>> with upstream?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My personal preference is to just remove it. In upstream-qemu it is
> >>>>> enabled/disabled by +/-svm. -enable-nesting is just a historic thing
> >>>>> which can be wiped out.
> >>>
> >>> "-enable-nesting" could remain as a synonym for enabling either VMX or SVM
> >>> in the guest, depending on what was available in the host (because KVM now
> >>> supports both nested SVM and nested VMX, but not SVM-on-VMX or vice versa).
> >>
> >> Why? Once nesting is stable (I think SVM already is), there is no reason
> >> for an explicit enable. And you can always mask it out via -cpu.
> >>
> >> BTW, what are the defaults for SVM right now in qemu-kvm and upstream?
> >> Enable if the modeled CPU supports it?
> >
> > qemu-kvm still needs -enable-nesting, otherwise it is disabled. Upstream
> > qemu should enable it unconditionally (can be disabled with -cpu ,-svm).
>
> Then let's start with aligning qemu-kvm defaults to upstream? I guess
> that's what the diff I was citing yesterday is responsible for.
>
> In the same run, -enable-nesting could dump a warning on the console
> that this switch is obsolete and will be removed from future versions.
I think it's safe to drop -enable-nesting immediately. Dan, does
libvirt make use of it?
> For VMX, I would suggest to keep it off by default until it matured,
> asking the user to issue -cpu ...,+vmx.
We should do that for svm as well (except for -cpu host or -cpu
something-with-svm). vmx will be kept disabled by the module option,
until it is deemed fit for general consumption.
--
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
Nadav Har'El <nyh@math.technion.ac.il>, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
john cooper <john.cooper@redhat.com>,
"Roedel, Joerg" <Joerg.Roedel@amd.com>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] drop -enable-nesting
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 18:19:14 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DE3B572.6030105@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DE3B4A5.6050509@siemens.com>
On 05/30/2011 06:15 PM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> On 2011-05-30 17:10, Roedel, Joerg wrote:
> > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:04:02AM -0400, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> >> On 2011-05-30 16:38, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> >>> On Mon, May 30, 2011, Jan Kiszka wrote about "drop -enable-nesting (was: [PATCH 3/7] cpu model bug fixes and definition corrections...)":
> >>>> On 2011-05-30 10:18, Roedel, Joerg wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 04:39:13AM -0400, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> J�rg, how to deal with -enable-nesting in qemu-kvm to align behavior
> >>>>>> with upstream?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My personal preference is to just remove it. In upstream-qemu it is
> >>>>> enabled/disabled by +/-svm. -enable-nesting is just a historic thing
> >>>>> which can be wiped out.
> >>>
> >>> "-enable-nesting" could remain as a synonym for enabling either VMX or SVM
> >>> in the guest, depending on what was available in the host (because KVM now
> >>> supports both nested SVM and nested VMX, but not SVM-on-VMX or vice versa).
> >>
> >> Why? Once nesting is stable (I think SVM already is), there is no reason
> >> for an explicit enable. And you can always mask it out via -cpu.
> >>
> >> BTW, what are the defaults for SVM right now in qemu-kvm and upstream?
> >> Enable if the modeled CPU supports it?
> >
> > qemu-kvm still needs -enable-nesting, otherwise it is disabled. Upstream
> > qemu should enable it unconditionally (can be disabled with -cpu ,-svm).
>
> Then let's start with aligning qemu-kvm defaults to upstream? I guess
> that's what the diff I was citing yesterday is responsible for.
>
> In the same run, -enable-nesting could dump a warning on the console
> that this switch is obsolete and will be removed from future versions.
I think it's safe to drop -enable-nesting immediately. Dan, does
libvirt make use of it?
> For VMX, I would suggest to keep it off by default until it matured,
> asking the user to issue -cpu ...,+vmx.
We should do that for svm as well (except for -cpu host or -cpu
something-with-svm). vmx will be kept disabled by the module option,
until it is deemed fit for general consumption.
--
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-30 15:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-23 21:46 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/7] cpu model bug fixes and definition corrections: Add kvm emulated x2apic flag to config defined cpu models john cooper
2011-05-28 8:39 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 8:18 ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-05-30 14:04 ` drop -enable-nesting (was: [PATCH 3/7] cpu model bug fixes and definition corrections...) Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 14:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 14:38 ` Nadav Har'El
2011-05-30 14:38 ` [Qemu-devel] " Nadav Har'El
2011-05-30 15:04 ` drop -enable-nesting Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 15:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 15:10 ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-05-30 15:10 ` [Qemu-devel] " Roedel, Joerg
2011-05-30 15:15 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 15:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 15:19 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2011-05-30 15:19 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-30 15:27 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 15:42 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-05-31 8:44 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-05-31 8:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2011-05-31 8:58 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-31 8:58 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-05-31 9:06 ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-05-31 9:06 ` [Qemu-devel] " Roedel, Joerg
2011-05-31 9:15 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-05-31 9:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2011-05-31 9:16 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-31 9:16 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-05-30 15:16 ` Nadav Har'El
2011-05-30 15:16 ` [Qemu-devel] " Nadav Har'El
2011-05-30 15:59 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-30 15:59 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
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