From: Cong Wang <amwang@redhat.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] mm: completely disable THP by transparent_hugepage=never
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:28:45 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E000FED.7050506@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DFF8848.2060802@redhat.com>
于 2011年06月21日 01:50, Rik van Riel 写道:
> On 06/20/2011 01:34 PM, Cong Wang wrote:
>
>> Even if it is really 10K, why not save it since it doesn't
>> much effort to make this. ;) Not only memory, but also time,
>> this could also save a little time to initialize the kernel.
>>
>> For me, the more serious thing is the logic, there is
>> no way to totally disable it as long as I have THP in .config
>> currently. This is why I said the design is broken.
>
> There are many things you cannot totally disable as long
> as they are enabled in the .config. Think about things
> like swap, or tmpfs - neither of which you are going to
> use in the crashdump kernel.
Sure, things like CONFIG_KEXEC can never be disabled
without changing .config too, they are designed like this.
Some features _do_ only mean to be disabled only
by Kconfig, some syscalls are indeed good examples here,
but some features don't. THP is one of them, because features
like this can be tuned dynamically.
>
> I believe we need to keep the kernel optimized for common
> use and convenience.
>
> Crashdump is very much a corner case. Yes, using less
> memory in crashdump is worthwhile, but lets face it -
> the big memory user there is likely to be the struct page
> array, with everything else down in the noise...
For the 128M case, only the struct page's of the 128M is
constructed in the second kernel, which unlikely to be a big user.
Thanks.
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From: Cong Wang <amwang@redhat.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] mm: completely disable THP by transparent_hugepage=never
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:28:45 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E000FED.7050506@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DFF8848.2060802@redhat.com>
ao? 2011a1'06ae??21ae?JPY 01:50, Rik van Riel a??e??:
> On 06/20/2011 01:34 PM, Cong Wang wrote:
>
>> Even if it is really 10K, why not save it since it doesn't
>> much effort to make this. ;) Not only memory, but also time,
>> this could also save a little time to initialize the kernel.
>>
>> For me, the more serious thing is the logic, there is
>> no way to totally disable it as long as I have THP in .config
>> currently. This is why I said the design is broken.
>
> There are many things you cannot totally disable as long
> as they are enabled in the .config. Think about things
> like swap, or tmpfs - neither of which you are going to
> use in the crashdump kernel.
Sure, things like CONFIG_KEXEC can never be disabled
without changing .config too, they are designed like this.
Some features _do_ only mean to be disabled only
by Kconfig, some syscalls are indeed good examples here,
but some features don't. THP is one of them, because features
like this can be tuned dynamically.
>
> I believe we need to keep the kernel optimized for common
> use and convenience.
>
> Crashdump is very much a corner case. Yes, using less
> memory in crashdump is worthwhile, but lets face it -
> the big memory user there is likely to be the struct page
> array, with everything else down in the noise...
For the 128M case, only the struct page's of the 128M is
constructed in the second kernel, which unlikely to be a big user.
Thanks.
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Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-06-20 16:34 [PATCH 1/3] mm: completely disable THP by transparent_hugepage=never Amerigo Wang
2011-06-20 16:34 ` Amerigo Wang
2011-06-20 16:34 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: make the threshold of enabling THP configurable Amerigo Wang
2011-06-20 16:34 ` Amerigo Wang
2011-06-20 16:59 ` Dave Hansen
2011-06-20 16:59 ` Dave Hansen
2011-06-20 17:23 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 17:23 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 16:59 ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-20 16:59 ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-20 17:16 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 17:16 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-21 9:36 ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-21 9:36 ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-22 2:41 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22 2:41 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22 9:16 ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-22 9:16 ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-22 10:46 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22 10:46 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22 11:15 ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-22 11:15 ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-22 12:34 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22 12:34 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 16:34 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: print information when THP is disabled automatically Amerigo Wang
2011-06-20 16:34 ` Amerigo Wang
2011-06-20 16:54 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-20 16:54 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-20 17:25 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 17:25 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 17:01 ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-20 17:01 ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-20 17:26 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 17:26 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 19:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-20 19:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-21 9:40 ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-21 9:40 ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-20 16:50 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: completely disable THP by transparent_hugepage=never Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-20 16:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-20 16:55 ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-20 16:55 ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-20 17:01 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 17:01 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 19:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-20 19:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-21 3:15 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-21 3:15 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 16:58 ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-20 16:58 ` Mel Gorman
2011-06-20 17:07 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 17:07 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 17:10 ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-20 17:10 ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-20 17:19 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 17:19 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 17:28 ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-20 17:28 ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-20 17:34 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 17:34 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 17:50 ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-20 17:50 ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-20 18:25 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-06-20 18:25 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-06-20 19:21 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-20 19:21 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-21 4:08 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-21 4:08 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-21 14:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-21 14:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-22 2:56 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22 2:56 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-22 14:22 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-22 14:22 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-21 20:01 ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-21 20:01 ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-21 3:28 ` Cong Wang [this message]
2011-06-21 3:28 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 17:58 ` Eric B Munson
2011-06-21 3:36 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-21 3:36 ` Cong Wang
2011-06-20 17:59 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-06-20 17:59 ` Vivek Goyal
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