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From: Nao Nishijima <nao.nishijima.xt@hitachi.com>
To: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	jcm@redhat.com, hare@suse.de, stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de,
	yrl.pp-manager.tt@hitachi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] [RFC] genhd: add a new attribute in device structure
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:51:03 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E002337.1010208@hitachi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTin6xfEv85v2BnN1hOuCKtQfzc1Eiw@mail.gmail.com>

(2011/06/19 4:55), Kay Sievers wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 21:40, James Bottomley
> <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:22 -0700, Greg KH wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:12:14PM +0200, Kay Sievers wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:39, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 16:49, James Bottomley
>>>>
>>>>>> So this is subsystem specific.  For the case of a SCSI enclosure, I can
>>>>>> answer that it's actually burned into the enclosure firmware.  When you
>>>>>> build an enclosure with labels, the label names are stored in a
>>>>>> diagnostic page.  We can actually interrogate the enclosure directly or
>>>>>> use the ses driver to get these names mapped to current devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me this sounds like a nice name on top of the current bunch of
>>>>> names, not like a 'preferred' name.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still don't like to introduce any new facility to the kernel that
>>>>> can handle only one single name. Reality the last years has taught us
>>>>> a very different story, and we've walked a long way to get where we
>>>>> are. I really don't believe single names will ever work, it's just a
>>>>> nice theory.
>>>>
>>>> I might need to clarify this a bit.
>>>>
>>>> I have no problem in general to add a 'alias' to every disk, and use
>>>> that when stuff is logged. Just the same way the netifs have an alias.
>>>> Sure, it might be useful for some use cases. And if that helps to
>>>> solve any real problem, we should just do it.
>>>>
>>>> I just want to make clear, that I don't think that it is anywhere near
>>>> to a solution for the problems which are described here. And that
>>>> nobody should see this as an excuse not to get their stuff together
>>>> and work on the problem, which is that we don't have machine-readable
>>>> error and debug from the kernel and a smart syslog.
>>>>
>>>> If we had that, I'm very sure nobody would even ask for a 'pretty
>>>> name' in the kernel, and I think that is a good indication that we are
>>>> not on the right track here.
>>>
>>> And I totally agree here, which is why I don't want to accept this
>>> change to the driver core to add this, as it's not the correct solution.
>>
>> OK, fine ... we'll do it as gendisk only then.  I suppose that is the
>> 95% use case anyway.
> 
> Sounds fine. It's probably easier to have it domain-specific anyway.
> Just like the netif alias already is.
> 

Agreed. Our purpose is to output disk's alias name in kernel messages.

> I would suggest not to call it 'preferred' though, but something
> similar to 'alias'. Having /dev/disk/by-preferred/ doesn't sound too
> convincing to me.
> 

OK, I will change 'preferred name' to 'alias name'.

> An 'change' uevent when the alias is set sounds fine. I don't think a
> set-once policy is needed.
> 

I will intent to implement as follows
- Change the name from preferred to alias
- Add alias_name in gendisk
- Notify 'change' uevent when the alias is set

Thanks,

-- 
Nao NISHIJIMA
Software Platform Research Dept. Linux Technology Center
Hitachi, Ltd., YOKOHAMA Research  Laboratory
Email: nao.nishijima.xt@hitachi.com
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From: Nao Nishijima <nao.nishijima.xt@hitachi.com>
To: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	jcm@redhat.com, hare@suse.de, stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de,
	yrl.pp-manager.tt@hitachi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] [RFC] genhd: add a new attribute in device structure
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:51:03 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E002337.1010208@hitachi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTin6xfEv85v2BnN1hOuCKtQfzc1Eiw@mail.gmail.com>

(2011/06/19 4:55), Kay Sievers wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 21:40, James Bottomley
> <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:22 -0700, Greg KH wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:12:14PM +0200, Kay Sievers wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:39, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 16:49, James Bottomley
>>>>
>>>>>> So this is subsystem specific.  For the case of a SCSI enclosure, I can
>>>>>> answer that it's actually burned into the enclosure firmware.  When you
>>>>>> build an enclosure with labels, the label names are stored in a
>>>>>> diagnostic page.  We can actually interrogate the enclosure directly or
>>>>>> use the ses driver to get these names mapped to current devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me this sounds like a nice name on top of the current bunch of
>>>>> names, not like a 'preferred' name.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still don't like to introduce any new facility to the kernel that
>>>>> can handle only one single name. Reality the last years has taught us
>>>>> a very different story, and we've walked a long way to get where we
>>>>> are. I really don't believe single names will ever work, it's just a
>>>>> nice theory.
>>>>
>>>> I might need to clarify this a bit.
>>>>
>>>> I have no problem in general to add a 'alias' to every disk, and use
>>>> that when stuff is logged. Just the same way the netifs have an alias.
>>>> Sure, it might be useful for some use cases. And if that helps to
>>>> solve any real problem, we should just do it.
>>>>
>>>> I just want to make clear, that I don't think that it is anywhere near
>>>> to a solution for the problems which are described here. And that
>>>> nobody should see this as an excuse not to get their stuff together
>>>> and work on the problem, which is that we don't have machine-readable
>>>> error and debug from the kernel and a smart syslog.
>>>>
>>>> If we had that, I'm very sure nobody would even ask for a 'pretty
>>>> name' in the kernel, and I think that is a good indication that we are
>>>> not on the right track here.
>>>
>>> And I totally agree here, which is why I don't want to accept this
>>> change to the driver core to add this, as it's not the correct solution.
>>
>> OK, fine ... we'll do it as gendisk only then.  I suppose that is the
>> 95% use case anyway.
> 
> Sounds fine. It's probably easier to have it domain-specific anyway.
> Just like the netif alias already is.
> 

Agreed. Our purpose is to output disk's alias name in kernel messages.

> I would suggest not to call it 'preferred' though, but something
> similar to 'alias'. Having /dev/disk/by-preferred/ doesn't sound too
> convincing to me.
> 

OK, I will change 'preferred name' to 'alias name'.

> An 'change' uevent when the alias is set sounds fine. I don't think a
> set-once policy is needed.
> 

I will intent to implement as follows
- Change the name from preferred to alias
- Add alias_name in gendisk
- Notify 'change' uevent when the alias is set

Thanks,

-- 
Nao NISHIJIMA
Software Platform Research Dept. Linux Technology Center
Hitachi, Ltd., YOKOHAMA Research  Laboratory
Email: nao.nishijima.xt@hitachi.com

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-21  4:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-15  8:16 [PATCH 0/3] [RFC] Persistent device name using preferred name Nao Nishijima
2011-06-15  8:16 ` [PATCH 1/3] [RFC] genhd: add a new attribute in device structure Nao Nishijima
2011-06-15 14:43   ` James Bottomley
2011-06-15 15:33   ` Greg KH
2011-06-16 12:03     ` Nao Nishijima
2011-06-16 15:41       ` Greg KH
2011-06-16 15:50         ` James Bottomley
2011-06-16 16:14           ` Greg KH
2011-06-16 16:25             ` James Bottomley
2011-06-16 17:09               ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-16 17:20                 ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-16 18:00                   ` Douglas Gilbert
2011-06-16 18:05                     ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-16 18:15                       ` Douglas Gilbert
2011-06-16 18:31                         ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-16 21:25                     ` Stefan Richter
2011-06-17  6:27                   ` Hannes Reinecke
2011-06-17  6:27                     ` Hannes Reinecke
2011-06-17 12:28                     ` Nao Nishijima
2011-06-17 12:28                       ` Nao Nishijima
2011-06-17 11:36                   ` Nao Nishijima
2011-06-16 18:19               ` Greg KH
2011-06-16 20:31                 ` James Bottomley
2011-06-16 22:05                   ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-16 22:45                     ` James Bottomley
2011-06-16 23:04                       ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-17 11:53                         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2011-06-17 14:30                           ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-17 14:27                         ` James Bottomley
2011-06-17 14:40                           ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-17 14:49                             ` James Bottomley
2011-06-17 15:39                               ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-17 15:39                                 ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-17 16:12                                 ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-17 16:22                                   ` Greg KH
2011-06-18 19:40                                     ` James Bottomley
2011-06-18 19:55                                       ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-21  4:51                                         ` Nao Nishijima [this message]
2011-06-21  4:51                                           ` Nao Nishijima
2011-06-19  1:54                           ` Kyle Moffett
2011-06-19  4:14                             ` James Bottomley
2011-06-17  6:55                       ` Stefan Richter
2011-06-17  5:25                   ` Greg KH
2011-06-17 15:41                     ` Douglas Gilbert
2011-06-17 15:57                       ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-17  3:33             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2011-06-17  5:22               ` Greg KH
2011-06-17  8:15                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2011-06-16 17:32           ` Douglas Gilbert
2011-06-16 18:02             ` Al Viro
2011-06-16 22:48             ` James Bottomley
2011-06-15  8:16 ` [PATCH 2/3] [RFC] sd: print preferred name in kernel messages Nao Nishijima
2011-06-15  8:16 ` [PATCH 3/3] [RFC] fs: print preferred name in procfs messages Nao Nishijima
2011-06-15 15:37 ` [PATCH 0/3] [RFC] Persistent device name using preferred name Greg KH
2011-06-17  5:58   ` Nao Nishijima
2011-06-17  5:58     ` Nao Nishijima

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