* [dm-crypt] LUKS & TrueCrypt - Speed Test
@ 2011-07-27 23:18 Jorge Fábregas
2011-07-28 5:11 ` Arno Wagner
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From: Jorge Fábregas @ 2011-07-27 23:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: dm-crypt
Hello everyone,
Inspired by this old blog post:
http://movingparts.net/2007/10/26/truecrypt-versus-luks-speed-test/
...I decided to perform some tests on my Fedora 14 box. This is not a
pro benchmark so be warned :)
Common Facts for both tests:
- source & destination filesystems were ext4
- destination is an external USB drive
- source data size is 143GB (a folder with lots of files & directories,
small & large files, regular data...)
- rsync was used to perform the actual copy
- I'm using an "encrypted partition " (against an encrypted file)
- I did a test first with TrueCrypt and then with LUKS
- Between the above tests, I shut down the machine (to flush filesystem
cache).
- my system kernel: 2.6.35.13-92.fc14.i686
### TrueCrypt Results ####
I used AES-256 (XTS operation mode), hash algorithm: ripemd-160 and the
package was realcrypt-7.0a-1.fc14.i686
Output of time command after rsync finished:
real 105m22.211s
user 28m10.471s
sys 41m35.319s
### DM-Crypt LUKS Results ###
I used the defaults: AES-256 (CBC), sha1 for header hashing and the
package cryptsetup-luks-1.1.3-1.fc14.i686
Output of time command after rsync finished:
real 108m55.291s
user 28m6.534s
sys 42m53.400s
As you can see, there's almost a 4 minute difference. I was expecting
LUKS to be faster (as dm-crypt is a kernel module) and TrueCrypt runs
mainly in user space isn't it? Do you think the cipher operation modes
(XTS vs CBC) played a role in this difference? Have any of you performed
a similar test?
Regards,
Jorge
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2011-07-27 23:18 [dm-crypt] LUKS & TrueCrypt - Speed Test Jorge Fábregas
@ 2011-07-28 5:11 ` Arno Wagner
2011-07-28 13:07 ` Jorge Fábregas
2011-07-28 7:40 ` Milan Broz
2011-07-28 23:58 ` Jorge Fábregas
2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Arno Wagner @ 2011-07-28 5:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: dm-crypt
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 07:18:24PM -0400, Jorge F?bregas wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Inspired by this old blog post:
>
> http://movingparts.net/2007/10/26/truecrypt-versus-luks-speed-test/
>
> ...I decided to perform some tests on my Fedora 14 box. This is not a
> pro benchmark so be warned :)
>
> Common Facts for both tests:
>
> - source & destination filesystems were ext4
> - destination is an external USB drive
> - source data size is 143GB (a folder with lots of files & directories,
> small & large files, regular data...)
> - rsync was used to perform the actual copy
> - I'm using an "encrypted partition " (against an encrypted file)
> - I did a test first with TrueCrypt and then with LUKS
> - Between the above tests, I shut down the machine (to flush filesystem
> cache).
> - my system kernel: 2.6.35.13-92.fc14.i686
>
> ### TrueCrypt Results ####
> I used AES-256 (XTS operation mode), hash algorithm: ripemd-160 and the
> package was realcrypt-7.0a-1.fc14.i686
>
> Output of time command after rsync finished:
>
> real 105m22.211s
> user 28m10.471s
> sys 41m35.319s
>
>
> ### DM-Crypt LUKS Results ###
> I used the defaults: AES-256 (CBC), sha1 for header hashing and the
> package cryptsetup-luks-1.1.3-1.fc14.i686
>
> Output of time command after rsync finished:
>
> real 108m55.291s
> user 28m6.534s
> sys 42m53.400s
>
>
> As you can see, there's almost a 4 minute difference. I was expecting
> LUKS to be faster (as dm-crypt is a kernel module) and TrueCrypt runs
> mainly in user space isn't it? Do you think the cipher operation modes
> (XTS vs CBC) played a role in this difference? Have any of you performed
> a similar test?
There is an old gemran egineering saying:
"wer mist mist mist"
(along the lines of "Those who measure measure crap")
I think it applies here.
Real-time is tricky. It does not reflect effort invested. If you
look at the sys itime, you see that the crypto-effort is only about
90 seconds more. Even that is pretty much below the measurement
error. Very likely the differences are due to storage differences
and do not show crypto-speed differences.
I suggest you run both tests at least 3 times and make sure
your storage is significantly faster than the crypto, e.g.
by doing this between RAM disks or SSD storage. Also a complex
disk access patterhn like rsync is not suitable as it may
have complex interactions with caching and buffering.
Arno
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* Re: [dm-crypt] LUKS & TrueCrypt - Speed Test
2011-07-28 5:11 ` Arno Wagner
@ 2011-07-28 13:07 ` Jorge Fábregas
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jorge Fábregas @ 2011-07-28 13:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: dm-crypt
On 07/28/2011 01:11 AM, Arno Wagner wrote:
> There is an old gemran egineering saying:
>
> "wer mist mist mist"
>
> (along the lines of "Those who measure measure crap")
> I think it applies here.
Hello Amo,
I warned everyone that this wasn't a pro test :) At least, I laid down
the specifics involved.
> Real-time is tricky. It does not reflect effort invested. If you
> look at the sys itime, you see that the crypto-effort is only about
> 90 seconds more. Even that is pretty much below the measurement
> error.
I agree here. I shouldn't have paid much attention to real time.
Nonetheless I'm still curious about the little difference...
> Very likely the differences are due to storage differences
> and do not show crypto-speed differences.
I used the same external drive for both tests.
> I suggest you run both tests at least 3 times and make sure
> your storage is significantly faster than the crypto, e.g.
> by doing this between RAM disks or SSD storage. Also a complex
> disk access patterhn like rsync is not suitable as it may
> have complex interactions with caching and buffering.
I didn't want to go with sequential & random read/writes (with different
block sizes etc) as I wanted a rough test out of the very same tool I
use every day (rsync) with the same data on the same disk. I understand
the crypto involved (CPU-wise) is much faster than the slow I/O of my
external drive but that's what I have. Regarding repeating the test, I
totally agree with that.
Thanks for the input.
Regards,
Jorge
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* Re: [dm-crypt] LUKS & TrueCrypt - Speed Test
2011-07-27 23:18 [dm-crypt] LUKS & TrueCrypt - Speed Test Jorge Fábregas
2011-07-28 5:11 ` Arno Wagner
@ 2011-07-28 7:40 ` Milan Broz
2011-07-28 13:20 ` Jorge Fábregas
2011-07-28 23:58 ` Jorge Fábregas
2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Milan Broz @ 2011-07-28 7:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jorge Fábregas; +Cc: dm-crypt
On 07/28/2011 01:18 AM, Jorge Fábregas wrote:
> - Between the above tests, I shut down the machine (to flush filesystem
> cache).
echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
does the same in more controlled way
> - my system kernel: 2.6.35.13-92.fc14.i686
Can you use something more recent? There were huge changes.
The same for userspace.
BTW do you know that TC7 uses dm-crypt as backend? So with the same
mode and alignemnt you should get the same results
(except chained ciphers in TC).
> As you can see, there's almost a 4 minute difference. I was expecting
> LUKS to be faster (as dm-crypt is a kernel module) and TrueCrypt runs
> mainly in user space isn't it? Do you think the cipher operation modes
> (XTS vs CBC) played a role in this difference? Have any of you performed
> a similar test?
Perhaps because you tested different modes... Use the same mode
in cryptsetup
cryptstup luksFormat -c aes-xts-plain64 -s 512 ...
I would really wonder if speed differs, TC7 uses dmsetup to configure
dm-crypt mapping on Linux :-) It uses userspace (and FUSE) only for old
containers and some magic for hidden container.
Milan
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* Re: [dm-crypt] LUKS & TrueCrypt - Speed Test
2011-07-28 7:40 ` Milan Broz
@ 2011-07-28 13:20 ` Jorge Fábregas
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jorge Fábregas @ 2011-07-28 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: dm-crypt
On 07/28/2011 03:40 AM, Milan Broz wrote:
> echo 3 > /proc/ss/cm/drop_caches
>
> does the same in more controlled way
Hello Milan,
Arraign I didn't know that one. Good to know!
> Can you use something more recent? There were huge changes.
> The same for user space.
I always stay with the stock kernel (Fedora 14) so I don't have to take
care of bug-fixes & security-updates for the kernel :) ...but I'll try
to run a newer kernel If I do the test again.
> BTW do you know that TC7 uses dm-crypt as backend? So with the same
> mode and alignemnt you should get the same results
> (except chained ciphers in TC).
I had no idea it used dm-crypt! That's great.
> Perhaps because you tested different modes... Use the same mode
> in cryptsetup
>
> cryptstup luksFormat -c aes-xts-plain64 -s 512 ...
>
> I would really wonder if speed differs, TC7 uses dmsetup to configure
> dm-crypt mapping on Linux :-) It uses user space (and FUSE) only for old
> containers and some magic for hidden container.
Great, I'll do that. I'll perform the tests again (everything equal:
kernel, disk, data, empty buffers, rsync) but I'll use xts this time for
LUKS. I'll report back.
Thanks Milan!
Jorge
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* Re: [dm-crypt] LUKS & TrueCrypt - Speed Test
2011-07-27 23:18 [dm-crypt] LUKS & TrueCrypt - Speed Test Jorge Fábregas
2011-07-28 5:11 ` Arno Wagner
2011-07-28 7:40 ` Milan Broz
@ 2011-07-28 23:58 ` Jorge Fábregas
2011-07-29 5:20 ` Arno Wagner
2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jorge Fábregas @ 2011-07-28 23:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: dm-crypt
On 07/27/2011 07:18 PM, Jorge Fábregas wrote:
> I decided to perform some tests on my Fedora 14 box. This is not a
> pro benchmark so be warned :)
Hi everyone,
I performed the tests again (twice for each test) but this time I
formatted the LUKS partition using:
cryptsetup luksFormat -c aes-xts-plain -s 256 -h ripemd160 /dev/sdd1
...so that I was more _similar_ to the TrueCrypt setup. Also, between
each test I run:
echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
Here are the new results for the same payload (143 GB of data):
### TRUECRYPT ####
1st round:
real 105m39.547s
user 28m17.667s
sys 42m25.300s
2nd round:
real 105m40.271s
user 28m21.893s
sys 42m19.672s
### LUKS ###
1st round:
real 104m33.901s
user 27m41.362s
sys 41m0.339s
2nd round:
real 104m44.913s
user 27m42.364s
sys 40m57.655s
Now as you may see, LUKS is roughly around 1 minute ahead (sytem-time)
compared to TrueCrypt. It appears the change in cipher operation mode
definitely affected the results (thing I should have done on the first
place).
Cheers and thank your for the feedback!
Jorge
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* Re: [dm-crypt] LUKS & TrueCrypt - Speed Test
2011-07-28 23:58 ` Jorge Fábregas
@ 2011-07-29 5:20 ` Arno Wagner
2011-07-29 9:52 ` Roscoe
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Arno Wagner @ 2011-07-29 5:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: dm-crypt
Hi Jorge,
you can see that running the test several times gives you some
appreciation for the variation in the measurement. Anyways,
this is what I would expect, i.e. TrueCrypt having a little
bit lower speed due to the userspace interface.
Thanks for posting these!
Arno
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 07:58:58PM -0400, Jorge F?bregas wrote:
> On 07/27/2011 07:18 PM, Jorge F?bregas wrote:
> > I decided to perform some tests on my Fedora 14 box. This is not a
> > pro benchmark so be warned :)
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I performed the tests again (twice for each test) but this time I
> formatted the LUKS partition using:
>
> cryptsetup luksFormat -c aes-xts-plain -s 256 -h ripemd160 /dev/sdd1
>
> ...so that I was more _similar_ to the TrueCrypt setup. Also, between
> each test I run:
>
> echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
>
> Here are the new results for the same payload (143 GB of data):
>
> ### TRUECRYPT ####
>
> 1st round:
> real 105m39.547s
> user 28m17.667s
> sys 42m25.300s
>
>
> 2nd round:
> real 105m40.271s
> user 28m21.893s
> sys 42m19.672s
>
>
> ### LUKS ###
>
> 1st round:
> real 104m33.901s
> user 27m41.362s
> sys 41m0.339s
>
>
> 2nd round:
> real 104m44.913s
> user 27m42.364s
> sys 40m57.655s
>
>
> Now as you may see, LUKS is roughly around 1 minute ahead (sytem-time)
> compared to TrueCrypt. It appears the change in cipher operation mode
> definitely affected the results (thing I should have done on the first
> place).
>
> Cheers and thank your for the feedback!
> Jorge
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.saout.de/mailman/listinfo/dm-crypt
>
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* Re: [dm-crypt] LUKS & TrueCrypt - Speed Test
2011-07-29 5:20 ` Arno Wagner
@ 2011-07-29 9:52 ` Roscoe
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From: Roscoe @ 2011-07-29 9:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: dm-crypt
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Hey Jorge,
If you're in the benchmarking mood and have a modern CPU...Different ciphers
would be interesting :)
A short script that given a block device would try a variety of ciphers [and
no encryption too] and print the results in a nice format would be neat.
-- Roscoe
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Arno Wagner <arno@wagner.name> wrote:
> Hi Jorge,
>
> you can see that running the test several times gives you some
> appreciation for the variation in the measurement. Anyways,
> this is what I would expect, i.e. TrueCrypt having a little
> bit lower speed due to the userspace interface.
>
> Thanks for posting these!
>
> Arno
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 07:58:58PM -0400, Jorge F?bregas wrote:
> > On 07/27/2011 07:18 PM, Jorge F?bregas wrote:
> > > I decided to perform some tests on my Fedora 14 box. This is not a
> > > pro benchmark so be warned :)
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I performed the tests again (twice for each test) but this time I
> > formatted the LUKS partition using:
> >
> > cryptsetup luksFormat -c aes-xts-plain -s 256 -h ripemd160 /dev/sdd1
> >
> > ...so that I was more _similar_ to the TrueCrypt setup. Also, between
> > each test I run:
> >
> > echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
> >
> > Here are the new results for the same payload (143 GB of data):
> >
> > ### TRUECRYPT ####
> >
> > 1st round:
> > real 105m39.547s
> > user 28m17.667s
> > sys 42m25.300s
> >
> >
> > 2nd round:
> > real 105m40.271s
> > user 28m21.893s
> > sys 42m19.672s
> >
> >
> > ### LUKS ###
> >
> > 1st round:
> > real 104m33.901s
> > user 27m41.362s
> > sys 41m0.339s
> >
> >
> > 2nd round:
> > real 104m44.913s
> > user 27m42.364s
> > sys 40m57.655s
> >
> >
> > Now as you may see, LUKS is roughly around 1 minute ahead (sytem-time)
> > compared to TrueCrypt. It appears the change in cipher operation mode
> > definitely affected the results (thing I should have done on the first
> > place).
> >
> > Cheers and thank your for the feedback!
> > Jorge
> > _______________________________________________
> > dm-crypt mailing list
> > dm-crypt@saout.de
> > http://www.saout.de/mailman/listinfo/dm-crypt
> >
>
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> arno@wagner.name
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>
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> "news" is "something that hardly ever happens." -- Bruce Schneier
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