* [U-Boot] flash post test @ 2012-01-31 9:27 vk 2012-02-03 21:32 ` Albert ARIBAUD 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: vk @ 2012-01-31 9:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: u-boot Hi all, Currently I am testing the Flash memory by using "Write and Read the same pattern" method (Protecting the UBoot Flash Sectors). Is it safer to test flash memory during bootup?what if power gets off during process? I want to know whether there is any alternative method to test the complete FLASH MEMORY. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* [U-Boot] flash post test 2012-01-31 9:27 [U-Boot] flash post test vk @ 2012-02-03 21:32 ` Albert ARIBAUD 2012-02-06 4:57 ` vaibhav kothari 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Albert ARIBAUD @ 2012-02-03 21:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: u-boot Hi vk, Le 31/01/2012 10:27, vk a ?crit : > Hi all, > > > Currently I am testing the Flash memory by using "Write and Read the > same pattern" method (Protecting the UBoot Flash Sectors). > > Is it safer to test flash memory during bootup?what if power gets off during > process? > > I want to know whether there is any alternative method to test the > complete FLASH MEMORY. Do you mean that you want to test the flash by writing to it on every power-up? What is the point? Amicalement, -- Albert. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* [U-Boot] flash post test 2012-02-03 21:32 ` Albert ARIBAUD @ 2012-02-06 4:57 ` vaibhav kothari 2012-02-06 22:23 ` Albert ARIBAUD 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: vaibhav kothari @ 2012-02-06 4:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: u-boot hi albert Yes,actually there is already support of flash test in POST of latest uboot.They are testing flash on every power on so am I for my board.But i don't want to disturb sectors in which uboot code relies. Can you help me here? On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 3:02 AM, Albert ARIBAUD <albert.u.boot@aribaud.net>wrote: > Hi vk, > > Le 31/01/2012 10:27, vk a ?crit : > > Hi all, >> >> >> Currently I am testing the Flash memory by using "Write and Read the >> same pattern" method (Protecting the UBoot Flash Sectors). >> >> Is it safer to test flash memory during bootup?what if power gets off >> during >> process? >> >> I want to know whether there is any alternative method to test the >> complete FLASH MEMORY. >> > > Do you mean that you want to test the flash by writing to it on every > power-up? What is the point? > > Amicalement, > -- > Albert. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* [U-Boot] flash post test 2012-02-06 4:57 ` vaibhav kothari @ 2012-02-06 22:23 ` Albert ARIBAUD 2012-02-06 22:55 ` Scott Wood 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Albert ARIBAUD @ 2012-02-06 22:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: u-boot Hi Vaibhav, Le 06/02/2012 05:57, vaibhav kothari a ?crit : > hi albert > > Yes,actually there is already support of flash test in POST of latest > uboot.They are testing flash on every power on so am I for my board.But i > don't want to disturb sectors in which uboot code relies. Can you help me > here? I am no NAND specialist, but I do hope NAND POST tests are pure read tests and thus are not affected by poweroffs (and can actually test any part of NAND). Amicalement, -- Albert. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* [U-Boot] flash post test 2012-02-06 22:23 ` Albert ARIBAUD @ 2012-02-06 22:55 ` Scott Wood 2012-02-06 22:59 ` Albert ARIBAUD 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Scott Wood @ 2012-02-06 22:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: u-boot On 02/06/2012 04:23 PM, Albert ARIBAUD wrote: > Hi Vaibhav, > > Le 06/02/2012 05:57, vaibhav kothari a ?crit : >> hi albert >> >> Yes,actually there is already support of flash test in POST of latest >> uboot.They are testing flash on every power on so am I for my board.But i >> don't want to disturb sectors in which uboot code relies. Can you help me >> here? > > I am no NAND specialist, but I do hope NAND POST tests are pure read > tests and thus are not affected by poweroffs (and can actually test any > part of NAND). NAND has a property called "read disturb", where excessively reading a sector without writing to it can eventually cause data loss. U-Boot is already read once per boot, but reading it a second time could halve the expected lifetime. Data managed by something like ubi is be scrubbed in a way that avoids this, but U-Boot itself is not usually managed in this way (boot hardware/rom does not understand ubi). -Scott ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* [U-Boot] flash post test 2012-02-06 22:55 ` Scott Wood @ 2012-02-06 22:59 ` Albert ARIBAUD 2012-02-06 23:02 ` Scott Wood 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Albert ARIBAUD @ 2012-02-06 22:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: u-boot Hi Scott, Le 06/02/2012 23:55, Scott Wood a ?crit : > On 02/06/2012 04:23 PM, Albert ARIBAUD wrote: >> Hi Vaibhav, >> >> Le 06/02/2012 05:57, vaibhav kothari a ?crit : >>> hi albert >>> >>> Yes,actually there is already support of flash test in POST of latest >>> uboot.They are testing flash on every power on so am I for my board.But i >>> don't want to disturb sectors in which uboot code relies. Can you help me >>> here? >> >> I am no NAND specialist, but I do hope NAND POST tests are pure read >> tests and thus are not affected by poweroffs (and can actually test any >> part of NAND). > > NAND has a property called "read disturb", where excessively reading a > sector without writing to it can eventually cause data loss. U-Boot is > already read once per boot, but reading it a second time could halve the > expected lifetime. Data managed by something like ubi is be scrubbed in > a way that avoids this, but U-Boot itself is not usually managed in this > way (boot hardware/rom does not understand ubi). I *did* say I am not a NAND expert. :) Thanks Scott. But then, isn't NAND testing a kind of catch-22, where by actually tesing if NAND works it one ends up weakening it either through read disturb, or simply through writes? > -Scott Amicalement, -- Albert. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* [U-Boot] flash post test 2012-02-06 22:59 ` Albert ARIBAUD @ 2012-02-06 23:02 ` Scott Wood 2012-02-07 4:32 ` vaibhav kothari 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Scott Wood @ 2012-02-06 23:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: u-boot On 02/06/2012 04:59 PM, Albert ARIBAUD wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Le 06/02/2012 23:55, Scott Wood a ?crit : >> On 02/06/2012 04:23 PM, Albert ARIBAUD wrote: >>> Hi Vaibhav, >>> >>> Le 06/02/2012 05:57, vaibhav kothari a ?crit : >>>> hi albert >>>> >>>> Yes,actually there is already support of flash test in POST of latest >>>> uboot.They are testing flash on every power on so am I for my >>>> board.But i >>>> don't want to disturb sectors in which uboot code relies. Can you >>>> help me >>>> here? >>> >>> I am no NAND specialist, but I do hope NAND POST tests are pure read >>> tests and thus are not affected by poweroffs (and can actually test any >>> part of NAND). >> >> NAND has a property called "read disturb", where excessively reading a >> sector without writing to it can eventually cause data loss. U-Boot is >> already read once per boot, but reading it a second time could halve the >> expected lifetime. Data managed by something like ubi is be scrubbed in >> a way that avoids this, but U-Boot itself is not usually managed in this >> way (boot hardware/rom does not understand ubi). > > I *did* say I am not a NAND expert. :) > > Thanks Scott. But then, isn't NAND testing a kind of catch-22, where by > actually tesing if NAND works it one ends up weakening it either through > read disturb, or simply through writes? It's fine for occasional manual testing, or routine testing of an area that gets properly scrubbed. -Scott ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* [U-Boot] flash post test 2012-02-06 23:02 ` Scott Wood @ 2012-02-07 4:32 ` vaibhav kothari 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: vaibhav kothari @ 2012-02-07 4:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: u-boot hi albert,Scott Thnks for your reply.Other than uib ,is there any data pattern/algorithm for flash testing which effects less on lifespan of flash?? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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