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From: Glauber Costa <glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Greg Thelen <gthelen-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
	<kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>,
	Suleiman Souhlal
	<ssouhlal-HZy0K5TPuP5AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	suleiman-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	penberg-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	cl-vYTEC60ixJUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
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	peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org,
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	mgorman-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org,
	James.Bottomley-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org,
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	devel-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	rientjes-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/13] memcg: Kernel memory accounting infrastructure.
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:31:40 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F5F847C.3060505@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xr93d38g77w5.fsf-aSPv4SP+Du0KgorLzL7FmE7CuiCeIGUxQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>

On 03/13/2012 09:00 PM, Greg Thelen wrote:
> Glauber Costa<glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>  writes:
>> 2) For the kernel itself, we are mostly concerned that a malicious container may
>> pin into memory big amounts of kernel memory which is, ultimately,
>> unreclaimable. In particular, with overcommit allowed scenarios, you can fill
>> the whole physical memory (or at least a significant part) with those objects,
>> well beyond your softlimit allowance, making the creation of further containers
>> impossible.
>> With user memory, you can reclaim the cgroup back to its place. With kernel
>> memory, you can't.
>
> In overcommit situations the page allocator starts failing even though
> memcg page can charge pages.
If you overcommit mem+swap, yes. If you overcommit mem, no: reclaim 
happens first. And we don't have that option with pinned kernel memory.

Of course you *can* run your system without swap, but the whole thing 
exists exactly because there is a large enough # of ppl who wants to be 
able to overcommit their physical memory, without failing allocations.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
To: Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>
Cc: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Suleiman Souhlal <ssouhlal@FreeBSD.org>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, suleiman@google.com, penberg@kernel.org,
	cl@linux.com, yinghan@google.com, hughd@google.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, dan.magenheimer@oracle.com,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, mgorman@suse.de,
	James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	devel@openvz.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rientjes@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/13] memcg: Kernel memory accounting infrastructure.
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:31:40 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F5F847C.3060505@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xr93d38g77w5.fsf@gthelen.mtv.corp.google.com>

On 03/13/2012 09:00 PM, Greg Thelen wrote:
> Glauber Costa<glommer@parallels.com>  writes:
>> 2) For the kernel itself, we are mostly concerned that a malicious container may
>> pin into memory big amounts of kernel memory which is, ultimately,
>> unreclaimable. In particular, with overcommit allowed scenarios, you can fill
>> the whole physical memory (or at least a significant part) with those objects,
>> well beyond your softlimit allowance, making the creation of further containers
>> impossible.
>> With user memory, you can reclaim the cgroup back to its place. With kernel
>> memory, you can't.
>
> In overcommit situations the page allocator starts failing even though
> memcg page can charge pages.
If you overcommit mem+swap, yes. If you overcommit mem, no: reclaim 
happens first. And we don't have that option with pinned kernel memory.

Of course you *can* run your system without swap, but the whole thing 
exists exactly because there is a large enough # of ppl who wants to be 
able to overcommit their physical memory, without failing allocations.

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From: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
To: Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>
Cc: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Suleiman Souhlal <ssouhlal@FreeBSD.org>,
	<cgroups@vger.kernel.org>, <suleiman@google.com>,
	<penberg@kernel.org>, <cl@linux.com>, <yinghan@google.com>,
	<hughd@google.com>, <peterz@infradead.org>,
	<dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>, <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	<mgorman@suse.de>, <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	<linux-mm@kvack.org>, <devel@openvz.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <rientjes@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/13] memcg: Kernel memory accounting infrastructure.
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:31:40 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F5F847C.3060505@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xr93d38g77w5.fsf@gthelen.mtv.corp.google.com>

On 03/13/2012 09:00 PM, Greg Thelen wrote:
> Glauber Costa<glommer@parallels.com>  writes:
>> 2) For the kernel itself, we are mostly concerned that a malicious container may
>> pin into memory big amounts of kernel memory which is, ultimately,
>> unreclaimable. In particular, with overcommit allowed scenarios, you can fill
>> the whole physical memory (or at least a significant part) with those objects,
>> well beyond your softlimit allowance, making the creation of further containers
>> impossible.
>> With user memory, you can reclaim the cgroup back to its place. With kernel
>> memory, you can't.
>
> In overcommit situations the page allocator starts failing even though
> memcg page can charge pages.
If you overcommit mem+swap, yes. If you overcommit mem, no: reclaim 
happens first. And we don't have that option with pinned kernel memory.

Of course you *can* run your system without swap, but the whole thing 
exists exactly because there is a large enough # of ppl who wants to be 
able to overcommit their physical memory, without failing allocations.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-03-13 17:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-09 20:39 [PATCH v2 00/13] Memcg Kernel Memory Tracking Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39 ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39 ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] memcg: Consolidate various flags into a single flags field Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39   ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-11  7:50   ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-11  7:50     ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-09 20:39 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] memcg: Kernel memory accounting infrastructure Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39   ` Suleiman Souhlal
     [not found]   ` <1331325556-16447-3-git-send-email-ssouhlal-HZy0K5TPuP5AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-11  8:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-11  8:12       ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-11  8:12       ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-13  6:24       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-03-13  6:24         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-03-13 10:37         ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-13 10:37           ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-13 17:00           ` Greg Thelen
2012-03-13 17:00             ` Greg Thelen
     [not found]             ` <xr93d38g77w5.fsf-aSPv4SP+Du0KgorLzL7FmE7CuiCeIGUxQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 17:31               ` Glauber Costa [this message]
2012-03-13 17:31                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-13 17:31                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-14  0:15           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-03-14  0:15             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-03-14 12:29             ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-14 12:29               ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-15  0:48               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-03-15  0:48                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]                 ` <4F613C5B.8030304-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-15 11:07                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-15 11:07                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-15 11:07                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-15 11:13                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-15 11:13                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-15 11:21                       ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-15 11:21                         ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-12 12:38     ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-12 12:38       ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-12 12:38       ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-09 20:39 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] memcg: Uncharge all kmem when deleting a cgroup Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39   ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-11  8:19   ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-11  8:19     ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-13 23:16     ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-13 23:16       ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-14 11:59       ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-14 11:59         ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]   ` <1331325556-16447-4-git-send-email-ssouhlal-HZy0K5TPuP5AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13  6:27     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-03-13  6:27       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-03-13  6:27       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-03-09 20:39 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] memcg: Make it possible to use the stock for more than one page Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39   ` Suleiman Souhlal
     [not found]   ` <1331325556-16447-5-git-send-email-ssouhlal-HZy0K5TPuP5AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-11 10:49     ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-11 10:49       ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-11 10:49       ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-09 20:39 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] memcg: Reclaim when more than one page needed Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39   ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] slab: Add kmem_cache_gfp_flags() helper function Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39   ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-11 10:53   ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-11 10:53     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <4F5C8414.5090800-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 23:21       ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-13 23:21         ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-13 23:21         ` Suleiman Souhlal
     [not found]         ` <CABCjUKCioWO-F7k=hVs_18B3uyL4zG3-krPFDh++YAnmejKKdg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-14 11:48           ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-14 11:48             ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-14 11:48             ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]             ` <4F608579.5090109-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-14 22:08               ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-14 22:08                 ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-14 22:08                 ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] memcg: Slab accounting Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39   ` Suleiman Souhlal
     [not found]   ` <1331325556-16447-8-git-send-email-ssouhlal-HZy0K5TPuP5AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-11 10:25     ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-11 10:25       ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-11 10:25       ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-13 22:50       ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-13 22:50         ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-14 10:47         ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-14 10:47           ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]           ` <4F60775F.20709-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-14 22:04             ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-14 22:04               ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-14 22:04               ` Suleiman Souhlal
     [not found]               ` <CABCjUKCWaXTzsVaFHG57ELWV4Yk15vt=Ei8tvbsxpQKnxTmksg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-15 11:40                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-15 11:40                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-15 11:40                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-09 20:39 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] memcg: Make dentry slab memory accounted in kernel memory accounting Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39   ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] memcg: Account for kmalloc " Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39   ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-11 12:21   ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-11 12:21     ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-09 20:39 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] memcg: Track all the memcg children of a kmem_cache Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39   ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] memcg: Handle bypassed kernel memory charges Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39   ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] memcg: Per-memcg memory.kmem.slabinfo file Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39   ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-11 10:35   ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-11 10:35     ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-09 20:39 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] memcg: Document kernel memory accounting Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-09 20:39   ` Suleiman Souhlal
     [not found]   ` <1331325556-16447-14-git-send-email-ssouhlal-HZy0K5TPuP5AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-11 10:42     ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-11 10:42       ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-11 10:42       ` Glauber Costa
     [not found] ` <1331325556-16447-1-git-send-email-ssouhlal-HZy0K5TPuP5AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-10  6:25   ` [PATCH v2 00/13] Memcg Kernel Memory Tracking Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-10  6:25     ` Suleiman Souhlal
2012-03-10  6:25     ` Suleiman Souhlal

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