From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: Eliot Courtney <ecourtney@nvidia.com>,
Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>,
Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
Simona Vetter <simona@ffwll.ch>, Benno Lossin <lossin@kernel.org>,
Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>,
nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/4] gpu: nova-core: gsp: add sync and async command queue API to `Cmdq`
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2026 10:03:38 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4e27719d-85d3-4bd7-b458-5d6d0a3063ba@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DGSAOTM95PZ4.2JGBBMNRSJSNN@kernel.org>
On 3/2/26 4:28 AM, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Sat Feb 28, 2026 at 7:11 AM CET, John Hubbard wrote:
>> The sync/async naming that GSP RM uses is a little bit "off". I
>> spent some time discussing it with them, and the problem is that
>> sync/async is a concept that is somewhat independent of whether
>> a reply is expected. Usually, sync means a blocking wait for a
>> response, which is not necessarily required in all case with
>> GSP RM calls.
>>
>> The naming would be better here if it reflected simply that
>> a response is expected, or not. I don't have great names for
>> that, but "fire and forget" works well for what we have so
>> far called "async". So we could do create a convention in which
>> no annotation means that the API has a response that will come
>> back, and some abbreviated for of "fire and forget" or "one way"
>> added to the function name would mean that no response is
>> expected.
>
> I think the relevant information for the caller is whether the call is blocking
> or non-blocking; i.e. do we have cases where we want to block, but discard the
> reply, or expect a reply but don't want to wait for it?
>
> So, unless there is additional complexity I'm not aware of, I feel like
> send_command() and send_command_no_wait() should be sufficient.
That's my favorite so far. It's unencumbered by any assumptions about
behavior, and unambiguous about what it does, and shorter names too.
>
> (Maybe send_command_wait() if we want to be a bit more explicit.)
>
> As for the specific commands, we could have traits to control whether blocking
> or non-blocking submissions are allowed for them in the first place, i.e. this
> gives us some control about whether a reply is allowed to be discarded through a
> _no_wait() submission etc.
thanks,
--
John Hubbard
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From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: Eliot Courtney <ecourtney@nvidia.com>,
Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>,
Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
David Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Simona Vetter <simona@ffwll.ch>,
Benno Lossin <lossin@kernel.org>, Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>,
nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/4] gpu: nova-core: gsp: add sync and async command queue API to `Cmdq`
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2026 10:03:38 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4e27719d-85d3-4bd7-b458-5d6d0a3063ba@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DGSAOTM95PZ4.2JGBBMNRSJSNN@kernel.org>
On 3/2/26 4:28 AM, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Sat Feb 28, 2026 at 7:11 AM CET, John Hubbard wrote:
>> The sync/async naming that GSP RM uses is a little bit "off". I
>> spent some time discussing it with them, and the problem is that
>> sync/async is a concept that is somewhat independent of whether
>> a reply is expected. Usually, sync means a blocking wait for a
>> response, which is not necessarily required in all case with
>> GSP RM calls.
>>
>> The naming would be better here if it reflected simply that
>> a response is expected, or not. I don't have great names for
>> that, but "fire and forget" works well for what we have so
>> far called "async". So we could do create a convention in which
>> no annotation means that the API has a response that will come
>> back, and some abbreviated for of "fire and forget" or "one way"
>> added to the function name would mean that no response is
>> expected.
>
> I think the relevant information for the caller is whether the call is blocking
> or non-blocking; i.e. do we have cases where we want to block, but discard the
> reply, or expect a reply but don't want to wait for it?
>
> So, unless there is additional complexity I'm not aware of, I feel like
> send_command() and send_command_no_wait() should be sufficient.
That's my favorite so far. It's unencumbered by any assumptions about
behavior, and unambiguous about what it does, and shorter names too.
>
> (Maybe send_command_wait() if we want to be a bit more explicit.)
>
> As for the specific commands, we could have traits to control whether blocking
> or non-blocking submissions are allowed for them in the first place, i.e. this
> gives us some control about whether a reply is allowed to be discarded through a
> _no_wait() submission etc.
thanks,
--
John Hubbard
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-02 18:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-26 14:50 [PATCH v2 0/4] gpu: nova-core: gsp: add locking to Cmdq Eliot Courtney
2026-02-26 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] gpu: nova-core: gsp: fix stale doc comments on command queue methods Eliot Courtney
2026-02-26 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] gpu: nova-core: gsp: add sync and async command queue API to `Cmdq` Eliot Courtney
2026-02-28 6:11 ` John Hubbard
2026-03-02 2:22 ` Eliot Courtney
2026-03-02 2:22 ` Eliot Courtney
2026-03-02 2:44 ` John Hubbard
2026-03-02 3:03 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-02 3:03 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-02 3:08 ` John Hubbard
2026-03-02 3:08 ` John Hubbard
2026-03-02 4:42 ` Eliot Courtney
2026-03-02 4:42 ` Eliot Courtney
2026-03-02 5:31 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-02 5:31 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-02 17:26 ` Gary Guo
2026-03-02 17:26 ` Gary Guo
2026-03-02 12:28 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-02 12:28 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-02 18:03 ` John Hubbard [this message]
2026-03-02 18:03 ` John Hubbard
2026-03-03 2:46 ` Eliot Courtney
2026-03-03 2:46 ` Eliot Courtney
2026-02-26 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] gpu: nova-core: gsp: make `Cmdq` a pinned type Eliot Courtney
2026-03-02 17:33 ` Gary Guo
2026-03-02 17:33 ` Gary Guo
2026-03-03 3:42 ` Eliot Courtney
2026-03-03 3:42 ` Eliot Courtney
2026-02-26 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] gpu: nova-core: gsp: add mutex locking to Cmdq Eliot Courtney
2026-03-02 17:36 ` Gary Guo
2026-03-02 17:36 ` Gary Guo
2026-03-03 3:47 ` Eliot Courtney
2026-03-03 3:47 ` Eliot Courtney
2026-03-03 7:58 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-03 7:58 ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-02-26 18:48 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] gpu: nova-core: gsp: add " Zhi Wang
2026-02-26 18:48 ` Zhi Wang
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