From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>, Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.de>,
'James Bottomley' <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
linux-ide@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 2/6] scsi: sr: support runtime pm
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 15:03:48 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <50689794.50203@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201209300031.04419.rjw@sisk.pl>
On 09/29/2012 06:31 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Saturday, September 29, 2012, Alan Stern wrote:
>> Can arbitrary SCSI devices be ZP, or does this notion apply only to
>> ATAPI-based drives? That's the key question, and the answer determines
>> where the ZP support belongs.
>
> I agree. That said for now I'm not aware of any other ZP devices. It also
> is unclear whether or not their requirements would be the same for the
> ZPODD devices.
Not quite.
The key question is whether or not this operates at the SCSI command set
level. ATAPI is simply SCSI MMC command set tunnelling.
The ATA-specific bits that belong in libata include everything below the
SCSI command set: bus details, delivering the command to the device,
returning the command response, etc.
sr handles the SCSI command set details. SATA optical devices are
aligned with the SCSI MMC command set, which periodically synchronizes
with USB and ATAPI industry efforts.
There are ugly hacks around the edges, where sometimes ATA or USB
subsystems may tweak the request or response in passing, but that is the
general model: it belongs in libata UNLESS the operation is occurring
wholly at the SCSI command set level.
Because USB and ATA chose to use the SCSI command set, it is sadly
inevitable that there might be a few details -- hopefully glossed over
with layer-hopping hooks and flags -- within 'sr' that are bus-specific.
The simple fact of "only ZPODD devices out there are ATA" is not the
decision-maker for where the code should live. It is more a question
where ZPODD belongs in the device/command set model currently employed.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-09-30 19:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-09-12 8:29 [PATCH v7 0/6] ZPODD patches Aaron Lu
2012-09-12 8:29 ` [PATCH v7 1/6] block: genhd: add an interface to set disk poll interval Aaron Lu
2012-09-20 20:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-12 8:29 ` [PATCH v7 2/6] scsi: sr: support runtime pm Aaron Lu
2012-09-20 20:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-20 20:54 ` Alan Stern
2012-09-21 1:02 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-21 20:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-24 1:20 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-24 12:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-24 14:52 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-24 21:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-25 8:01 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-25 11:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-25 14:20 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-25 14:23 ` Oliver Neukum
2012-09-25 14:46 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-25 21:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-26 1:03 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-26 11:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-26 14:52 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-26 7:20 ` Oliver Neukum
2012-09-27 10:46 ` Oliver Neukum
2012-09-28 8:20 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-12 8:29 ` [PATCH v7 3/6] scsi: sr: support zero power ODD(ZPODD) Aaron Lu
2012-09-20 22:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-21 1:39 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-21 21:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-27 9:26 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-27 14:42 ` Alan Stern
2012-09-27 14:55 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-27 23:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-24 21:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2012-09-12 8:29 ` [PATCH v7 4/6] scsi: pm: add may_power_off flag Aaron Lu
2012-09-12 8:29 ` [PATCH v7 5/6] scsi: sr: use may_power_off Aaron Lu
2012-09-12 8:29 ` [PATCH v7 6/6] libata: acpi: respect may_power_off flag Aaron Lu
2012-09-24 21:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2012-09-19 8:03 ` [PATCH v7 0/6] ZPODD patches Aaron Lu
2012-09-19 12:27 ` James Bottomley
2012-09-19 12:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-19 14:19 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-20 20:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-21 5:48 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-21 21:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-22 7:32 ` Oliver Neukum
2012-09-22 11:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-22 15:38 ` Alan Stern
2012-09-22 19:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-22 20:23 ` Alan Stern
2012-09-22 21:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-24 2:55 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-24 13:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-24 15:04 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-24 21:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-25 8:18 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-25 11:02 ` James Bottomley
2012-09-25 13:56 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-27 9:43 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-24 15:47 ` Alan Stern
2012-09-19 14:52 ` James Bottomley
2012-09-20 21:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-19 13:05 ` Oliver Neukum
2012-09-19 15:19 ` David Woodhouse
2012-09-20 0:34 ` Jack Wang
[not found] ` <201209280115.06964.rjw@sisk.pl>
[not found] ` <5064FA08.6030005@intel.com>
[not found] ` <201209282346.15872.rjw@sisk.pl>
2012-09-29 2:10 ` [PATCH v7 2/6] scsi: sr: support runtime pm Aaron Lu
2012-09-29 14:29 ` Alan Stern
2012-09-29 15:03 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-29 22:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-30 12:32 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-30 14:47 ` Alan Stern
2012-09-30 15:39 ` Aaron Lu
2012-09-30 19:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2012-09-30 19:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2012-09-29 22:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-30 19:03 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2012-09-30 19:43 ` Alan Stern
2012-10-01 4:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2012-10-08 9:27 ` Aaron Lu
2012-10-08 10:21 ` James Bottomley
2012-10-09 7:20 ` Aaron Lu
2012-10-09 14:58 ` James Bottomley
2012-10-11 7:49 ` Aaron Lu
2012-10-09 23:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-29 22:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-09-30 12:38 ` Aaron Lu
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=50689794.50203@pobox.com \
--to=jgarzik@pobox.com \
--cc=James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com \
--cc=aaron.lu@intel.com \
--cc=linux-ide@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-pm@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=oneukum@suse.de \
--cc=rjw@sisk.pl \
--cc=stern@rowland.harvard.edu \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.