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From: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
To: Pantelis Antoniou <panto@antoniou-consulting.com>
Cc: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com>,
	Deepak Saxena <dsaxena@linaro.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>, Kevin Hilman <khilman@ti.com>,
	Matt Porter <mporter@ti.com>,
	Koen Kooi <koen@dominion.thruhere.net>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com>, Russ Dill <Russ.Dill@ti.com>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Device Tree Overlays Proposal (Was Re: capebus moving omap_devices to mach-omap2)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 10:18:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <509A97D0.5010006@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5A5C45CB-CDF8-4D93-8698-46A27143ABFA@antoniou-consulting.com>

On 11/07/2012 01:47 AM, Pantelis Antoniou wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> On Nov 6, 2012, at 11:37 PM, Stephen Warren wrote:
> 
>> On 11/05/2012 01:40 PM, Grant Likely wrote:
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> As promised, here is my early draft to try and capture what device
>>> tree overlays need to do and how to get there. Comments and
>>> suggestions greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Interesting. This just came up internally at NVIDIA within the last
>> couple weeks, and was discussed on the U-Boot mailing list very recently
>> too:
>>
>> http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2012-October/thread.html#138227
>> (it spills into the November archive too)
> 
> I am aware of this discussion. For our use case u-boot DT manipulation was
> tried, but then abandoned. Asking our user base to modify anything in u-boot
> was ruled out.
>  
>>
>>> For these cases it is proposed to implement an overlay feature for the
>>> so that the initial device tree data can be modified by userspace at
>>
>> I don't know if you're maintaining this as a document and taking patches
>> to it, but if so:
>>
>> "for the so" split across those two lines.
>>
>>> Jane solves this problem by storing an FDT overlay for each cape in the
>>> root filesystem. When the kernel detects that a cape is installed it
>>> reads the cape's eeprom to identify it and uses request_firmware() to
>>> obtain the appropriate overlay. Userspace passes the overlay to the
>>> kernel in the normal way. If the cape doesn't have an eeprom, then the
>>> kernel will still use firmware_request(), but userspace needs to already
>>> know which cape is installed.
>>
>> As mentioned by Pantelis, multiple versions of a board is also very
>> common. We already have the following .dts files in the kernel where
>> this applies, for the main board even:
>>
>> arch/arm/boot/dts/tegra30-cardhu.dtsi
>> arch/arm/boot/dts/tegra30-cardhu-a02.dts
>> arch/arm/boot/dts/tegra30-cardhu-a04.dts
> 
> Exactly. I've made this point in another email, but IMHO board-revision
> management is exactly the same with cape revision management.
> 
> Ideally you'd like to get rid of those three, and replace it with only
> one that's properly versioned.

I don't expect we would ever get rid of some of those .dts files; there
is after all a common subset that applies to all boards, and an
incremental difference that applies to only A02/3, and another for
A04/5/... Representing those as separate source files seems appropriate
to me. If we try and dump all the multiple versions into a single file
with some markup indicating which version of the board some sub-sections
of the .dts apply to, I think we'll end up with rather complex .dts
files. In this case, the simple overlay model works extremely well.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-07 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-05 20:40 [RFC] Device Tree Overlays Proposal (Was Re: capebus moving omap_devices to mach-omap2) Grant Likely
2012-11-06 10:30 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 11:14   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06 18:35     ` Tony Lindgren
2012-11-06 19:29       ` Russ Dill
     [not found]         ` <CA+Bv8XZOt7h3dtDsk1SaR71J3tYFOTsPJSjZLSP3RVuLdYdFDg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-06 19:41           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 19:41             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 22:17             ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-06 22:17               ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-06 19:34     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 20:45       ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06 20:50         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-07  8:06         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 15:33           ` Alan Tull
2012-11-07 15:33             ` Alan Tull
2012-11-09 17:03           ` Grant Likely
2012-11-07  8:13         ` Pantelis Antoniou
     [not found]           ` <5ED17D42-07B8-4D4F-B54F-82B4CC60584C-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 10:19             ` Benoit Cousson
2012-11-07 10:19               ` Benoit Cousson
2012-11-07 11:02               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 11:02                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
     [not found]                 ` <A6697FB9-3614-4027-A71B-59C7556005BF-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 11:12                   ` Benoit Cousson
2012-11-07 11:12                     ` Benoit Cousson
2012-11-07 11:23                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 11:23                       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-09 20:33                 ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 11:34                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 13:01                     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-07 17:25               ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                 ` <509A9984.3000709-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 22:10                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 22:10                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-08 10:36                 ` Cousson, Benoit
2012-11-08 10:36                   ` Cousson, Benoit
2012-11-09  5:32   ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-09 14:29     ` David Gibson
2012-11-10  3:15       ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-09 21:22     ` Grant Likely
     [not found]       ` <CACxGe6vL9gbAKyDWcZWWAQ4WO=nTgdAioXS-h2e1jtJK9pmZUg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-12 11:47         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 11:47           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13  3:59       ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-09 22:59     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]   ` <-4237940489086529028@unknownmsgid>
     [not found]     ` <559B8433-67C3-4A1A-A5D6-859907655176@antoniou-consulting.com>
     [not found]       ` <559B8433-67C3-4A1A-A5D6-859907655176-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-10  3:36         ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-10  3:36           ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-12 12:48           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13  2:28           ` David Gibson
     [not found] ` <CACxGe6vu8ek7-K-yDDMXyg9x-oKiFt_cSz+Pz-yZf5U5vwe=0g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 21:40   ` Tabi Timur-B04825
2012-11-05 21:40     ` Tabi Timur-B04825
2012-11-05 23:22     ` Tony Lindgren
     [not found]       ` <20121105232218.GA8284-4v6yS6AI5VpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-09 12:06         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-09 12:06           ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06  0:07     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06 10:31     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 22:35     ` Ryan Mallon
2012-11-08 13:28       ` Koen Kooi
2012-11-08 14:09         ` Timur Tabi
2012-11-08 17:00         ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-06 22:37   ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-06 22:37     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]     ` <50999145.2070306-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07  0:54       ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-07  0:54         ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-09 17:02         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 11:29           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07  8:47     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 17:18       ` Stephen Warren [this message]
     [not found]         ` <509A97D0.5010006-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 22:08           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 22:08             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-09 16:28     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-09 23:23       ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:40         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 10:53           ` Koen Kooi
     [not found]         ` <509D9089.7020407-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-12 12:10           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 12:10             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 16:52             ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13  7:25               ` David Gibson
     [not found]                 ` <20121113072517.GE25915-W9XWwYn+TF0XU02nzanrWNbf9cGiqdzd@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13  8:09                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13  8:09                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13 12:24                     ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                       ` <CACxGe6vQxmAk_joUYbaXw4r8J3_RbQt22zFg84ANvcw+ycCMHg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13 13:38                         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13 13:38                           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-15  4:57                           ` David Gibson
2012-11-13 17:10                     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                     ` <BD20AE03-C138-4BC6-AE02-F162AF6840B2-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13 23:30                       ` David Gibson
2012-11-13 23:30                         ` David Gibson
2012-11-14  0:00                         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13 16:57                 ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                   ` <50A27BF1.4030502-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13 18:10                     ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-13 18:10                       ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                       ` <50A28D03.7050002-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13 18:29                         ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13 18:29                           ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13 19:09                           ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-13 19:11                             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-17 22:27         ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-11-20 17:09           ` Grant Likely
2012-11-11 20:47       ` Rob Landley
2012-11-12 12:50         ` Pantelis Antoniou
     [not found]           ` <ABAD0875-A618-405D-954F-CD76F09DDF04-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-12 16:54             ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 16:54               ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 11:23       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 16:49         ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 17:00           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 17:10             ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 17:19               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 17:29                 ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 17:38                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 20:16         ` Russ Dill
2012-11-12 16:45       ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 11:03   ` Koen Kooi
2012-11-12 11:03     ` Koen Kooi
2012-11-09  2:26 ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 15:40   ` Pantelis Antoniou
     [not found]     ` <A97699E9-6C57-4A56-BC45-86A57CF2496F-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13  0:03       ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  0:03         ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 21:08   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]     ` <CACxGe6v7q2=Dxn6BE_V-w9CEKxAsZ6zQd5Uqm4TeYGYCCu76cg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13  0:05       ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  0:05         ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 21:42   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]     ` <CACxGe6vQ50aS0Fe7QvTHKfV=EDpsZoLC7SOxXLGc0pkMvyk5DQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13  1:05       ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  1:05         ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  5:22         ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]           ` <50A1D8FF.7060104-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13  6:54             ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  6:54               ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 22:57   ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:27     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 12:05     ` Pantelis Antoniou
     [not found]   ` <20121109022624.GI23553-W9XWwYn+TF0XU02nzanrWNbf9cGiqdzd@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-09 23:14     ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:14       ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:06 ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:32   ` Grant Likely

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