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From: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
To: David Gibson <david-xT8FGy+AXnRB3Ne2BGzF6laj5H9X9Tb+@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Kevin Hilman <khilman-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
	Matt Porter <mporter-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
	Koen Kooi
	<koen-QLwJDigV5abLmq1fohREcCpxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
	Pantelis Antoniou
	<panto-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Felipe Balbi <balbi-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
	Deepak Saxena <dsaxena-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Russ Dill <Russ.Dill-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
	Scott Wood <scottwood-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-omap-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Device Tree Overlays Proposal (Was Re: capebus moving omap_devices to mach-omap2)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:14:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <509D8E52.1010505@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121109022624.GI23553-W9XWwYn+TF0XU02nzanrWNbf9cGiqdzd@public.gmane.org>

On 11/08/2012 07:26 PM, David Gibson wrote:
...
> So, let me take a stab at this from a more bottom-up approach, and see
> if we meet in the middle somewhere.  As I discussed in the other
> thread with Daniel Mack, I can see two different operationso on the
> fdt that might be useful in this context.  I think of them as "graft"
> - which takes one fdt and adds it as a new subtree to an existing fdt
> - and "overlay" where a new fdt adds or overrides arbitrary properties
> in an existing tree.  Overlay is more or less what we do at the source
> level in dtc already.

One more thought on the differences between overlay and grafting:

With overlay, it's possible to make your overlay a complete DT tree
rooted at /. In some cases, you might find a lower-level node which all
overlaid elements share, and root the overlay process there.

With grafting, you're basically guaranteed to want the child/graft file
to have different parts of itself grafted into different points in the
parent/underlying tree, e.g. to add nodes to an I2C bus, an SPI bus, and
perhaps some bus-less devices at the root (e.g. a new gpio-leds device).
This will require that a child/graft file to consist of multiple chunks
of DT all to be grafted as separate operations, whereas with overlay you
may be able to get away with a single chunk to be overlaid (although
with some of the use-cases discussed, even the overlay approach might
require multiple chunks to be applied).

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@ti.com>, Matt Porter <mporter@ti.com>,
	Koen Kooi <koen@dominion.thruhere.net>,
	Pantelis Antoniou <panto@antoniou-consulting.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com>, Deepak Saxena <dsaxena@linaro.org>,
	Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>,
	Russ Dill <Russ.Dill@ti.com>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Device Tree Overlays Proposal (Was Re: capebus moving omap_devices to mach-omap2)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:14:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <509D8E52.1010505@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121109022624.GI23553@truffula.fritz.box>

On 11/08/2012 07:26 PM, David Gibson wrote:
...
> So, let me take a stab at this from a more bottom-up approach, and see
> if we meet in the middle somewhere.  As I discussed in the other
> thread with Daniel Mack, I can see two different operationso on the
> fdt that might be useful in this context.  I think of them as "graft"
> - which takes one fdt and adds it as a new subtree to an existing fdt
> - and "overlay" where a new fdt adds or overrides arbitrary properties
> in an existing tree.  Overlay is more or less what we do at the source
> level in dtc already.

One more thought on the differences between overlay and grafting:

With overlay, it's possible to make your overlay a complete DT tree
rooted at /. In some cases, you might find a lower-level node which all
overlaid elements share, and root the overlay process there.

With grafting, you're basically guaranteed to want the child/graft file
to have different parts of itself grafted into different points in the
parent/underlying tree, e.g. to add nodes to an I2C bus, an SPI bus, and
perhaps some bus-less devices at the root (e.g. a new gpio-leds device).
This will require that a child/graft file to consist of multiple chunks
of DT all to be grafted as separate operations, whereas with overlay you
may be able to get away with a single chunk to be overlaid (although
with some of the use-cases discussed, even the overlay approach might
require multiple chunks to be applied).

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-11-09 23:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-05 20:40 [RFC] Device Tree Overlays Proposal (Was Re: capebus moving omap_devices to mach-omap2) Grant Likely
2012-11-06 10:30 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 11:14   ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06 18:35     ` Tony Lindgren
2012-11-06 19:29       ` Russ Dill
     [not found]         ` <CA+Bv8XZOt7h3dtDsk1SaR71J3tYFOTsPJSjZLSP3RVuLdYdFDg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-06 19:41           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 19:41             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 22:17             ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-06 22:17               ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-06 19:34     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-06 20:45       ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06 20:50         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-07  8:06         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 15:33           ` Alan Tull
2012-11-07 15:33             ` Alan Tull
2012-11-09 17:03           ` Grant Likely
2012-11-07  8:13         ` Pantelis Antoniou
     [not found]           ` <5ED17D42-07B8-4D4F-B54F-82B4CC60584C-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 10:19             ` Benoit Cousson
2012-11-07 10:19               ` Benoit Cousson
2012-11-07 11:02               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 11:02                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
     [not found]                 ` <A6697FB9-3614-4027-A71B-59C7556005BF-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 11:12                   ` Benoit Cousson
2012-11-07 11:12                     ` Benoit Cousson
2012-11-07 11:23                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 11:23                       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-09 20:33                 ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 11:34                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 13:01                     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-07 17:25               ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                 ` <509A9984.3000709-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 22:10                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 22:10                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-08 10:36                 ` Cousson, Benoit
2012-11-08 10:36                   ` Cousson, Benoit
2012-11-09  5:32   ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-09 14:29     ` David Gibson
2012-11-10  3:15       ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-09 21:22     ` Grant Likely
     [not found]       ` <CACxGe6vL9gbAKyDWcZWWAQ4WO=nTgdAioXS-h2e1jtJK9pmZUg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-12 11:47         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 11:47           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13  3:59       ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-09 22:59     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]   ` <-4237940489086529028@unknownmsgid>
     [not found]     ` <559B8433-67C3-4A1A-A5D6-859907655176@antoniou-consulting.com>
     [not found]       ` <559B8433-67C3-4A1A-A5D6-859907655176-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-10  3:36         ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-10  3:36           ` Joel A Fernandes
2012-11-12 12:48           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13  2:28           ` David Gibson
     [not found] ` <CACxGe6vu8ek7-K-yDDMXyg9x-oKiFt_cSz+Pz-yZf5U5vwe=0g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-05 21:40   ` Tabi Timur-B04825
2012-11-05 21:40     ` Tabi Timur-B04825
2012-11-05 23:22     ` Tony Lindgren
     [not found]       ` <20121105232218.GA8284-4v6yS6AI5VpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-09 12:06         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-09 12:06           ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06  0:07     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-06 10:31     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 22:35     ` Ryan Mallon
2012-11-08 13:28       ` Koen Kooi
2012-11-08 14:09         ` Timur Tabi
2012-11-08 17:00         ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-06 22:37   ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-06 22:37     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]     ` <50999145.2070306-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07  0:54       ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-07  0:54         ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-09 17:02         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 11:29           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07  8:47     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 17:18       ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]         ` <509A97D0.5010006-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-07 22:08           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-07 22:08             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-09 16:28     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-09 23:23       ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:40         ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 10:53           ` Koen Kooi
     [not found]         ` <509D9089.7020407-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-12 12:10           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 12:10             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 16:52             ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13  7:25               ` David Gibson
     [not found]                 ` <20121113072517.GE25915-W9XWwYn+TF0XU02nzanrWNbf9cGiqdzd@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13  8:09                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13  8:09                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13 12:24                     ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                       ` <CACxGe6vQxmAk_joUYbaXw4r8J3_RbQt22zFg84ANvcw+ycCMHg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13 13:38                         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13 13:38                           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-15  4:57                           ` David Gibson
2012-11-13 17:10                     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                     ` <BD20AE03-C138-4BC6-AE02-F162AF6840B2-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13 23:30                       ` David Gibson
2012-11-13 23:30                         ` David Gibson
2012-11-14  0:00                         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-13 16:57                 ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                   ` <50A27BF1.4030502-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13 18:10                     ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-13 18:10                       ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                       ` <50A28D03.7050002-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13 18:29                         ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13 18:29                           ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-13 19:09                           ` Mitch Bradley
2012-11-13 19:11                             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-17 22:27         ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-11-20 17:09           ` Grant Likely
2012-11-11 20:47       ` Rob Landley
2012-11-12 12:50         ` Pantelis Antoniou
     [not found]           ` <ABAD0875-A618-405D-954F-CD76F09DDF04-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-12 16:54             ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 16:54               ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 11:23       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 16:49         ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 17:00           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 17:10             ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 17:19               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 17:29                 ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 17:38                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-11-12 20:16         ` Russ Dill
2012-11-12 16:45       ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-12 11:03   ` Koen Kooi
2012-11-12 11:03     ` Koen Kooi
2012-11-09  2:26 ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 15:40   ` Pantelis Antoniou
     [not found]     ` <A97699E9-6C57-4A56-BC45-86A57CF2496F-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13  0:03       ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  0:03         ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 21:08   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]     ` <CACxGe6v7q2=Dxn6BE_V-w9CEKxAsZ6zQd5Uqm4TeYGYCCu76cg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13  0:05       ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  0:05         ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 21:42   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]     ` <CACxGe6vQ50aS0Fe7QvTHKfV=EDpsZoLC7SOxXLGc0pkMvyk5DQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13  1:05       ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  1:05         ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  5:22         ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]           ` <50A1D8FF.7060104-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-13  6:54             ` David Gibson
2012-11-13  6:54               ` David Gibson
2012-11-09 22:57   ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:27     ` Grant Likely
2012-11-12 12:05     ` Pantelis Antoniou
     [not found]   ` <20121109022624.GI23553-W9XWwYn+TF0XU02nzanrWNbf9cGiqdzd@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-09 23:14     ` Stephen Warren [this message]
2012-11-09 23:14       ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:06 ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-09 23:32   ` Grant Likely

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