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From: Zdenek Kabelac <zdenek.kabelac@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Zlatko Calusic <zlatko.calusic@iskon.hr>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: kswapd craziness in 3.7
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 22:59:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50C509D3.3070108@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1212081651270.4593@air.linux-foundation.org>

Dne 9.12.2012 02:01, Linus Torvalds napsal(a):
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2012, Zlatko Calusic wrote:
>>
>> Or sooner... in short: nothing's changed!
>>
>> On a 4GB RAM system, where applications use close to 2GB, kswapd likes to keep
>> around 1GB free (unused), leaving only 1GB for page/buffer cache. If I force
>> bigger page cache by reading a big file and thus use the unused 1GB of RAM,
>> kswapd will soon (in a matter of minutes) evict those (or other) pages out and
>> once again keep unused memory close to 1GB.
>
> Ok, guys, what was the reclaim or kswapd patch during the merge window
> that actually caused all of these insane problems? It seems it was more
> fundamentally buggered than the fifteen-million fixes for kswapd we have
> already picked up.
>
> (Ok, I may be exaggerating the number of patches, but it's starting to
> feel that way - I thought that 3.7 was going to be a calm and easy
> release, but the kswapd issues seem to just keep happening. We've been
> fighting the kswapd changes for a while now.)
>
> Trying to keep a gigabyte free (presumably because that way we have lots
> of high-order alloction pages) is ridiculous. Is it one of the compaction
> changes?
>
> Mel? Ideas?
>

Very true

It's just as simple a making

dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/zero bs=1M count=0 seek=1000000

and now

dd if=/tmp/zero of=/dev/null bs=1M

and kswapd fights with dd  for CPU time....


Zdenek


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From: Zdenek Kabelac <zdenek.kabelac@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Zlatko Calusic <zlatko.calusic@iskon.hr>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: kswapd craziness in 3.7
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 22:59:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50C509D3.3070108@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1212081651270.4593@air.linux-foundation.org>

Dne 9.12.2012 02:01, Linus Torvalds napsal(a):
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2012, Zlatko Calusic wrote:
>>
>> Or sooner... in short: nothing's changed!
>>
>> On a 4GB RAM system, where applications use close to 2GB, kswapd likes to keep
>> around 1GB free (unused), leaving only 1GB for page/buffer cache. If I force
>> bigger page cache by reading a big file and thus use the unused 1GB of RAM,
>> kswapd will soon (in a matter of minutes) evict those (or other) pages out and
>> once again keep unused memory close to 1GB.
>
> Ok, guys, what was the reclaim or kswapd patch during the merge window
> that actually caused all of these insane problems? It seems it was more
> fundamentally buggered than the fifteen-million fixes for kswapd we have
> already picked up.
>
> (Ok, I may be exaggerating the number of patches, but it's starting to
> feel that way - I thought that 3.7 was going to be a calm and easy
> release, but the kswapd issues seem to just keep happening. We've been
> fighting the kswapd changes for a while now.)
>
> Trying to keep a gigabyte free (presumably because that way we have lots
> of high-order alloction pages) is ridiculous. Is it one of the compaction
> changes?
>
> Mel? Ideas?
>

Very true

It's just as simple a making

dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/zero bs=1M count=0 seek=1000000

and now

dd if=/tmp/zero of=/dev/null bs=1M

and kswapd fights with dd  for CPU time....


Zdenek



  reply	other threads:[~2012-12-09 21:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-27 20:48 kswapd craziness in 3.7 Johannes Weiner
2012-11-27 20:48 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-11-27 20:48 ` [patch] mm: vmscan: fix kswapd endless loop on higher order allocation Johannes Weiner
2012-11-27 20:48   ` Johannes Weiner
2012-11-27 20:58 ` kswapd craziness in 3.7 Linus Torvalds
2012-11-27 20:58   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-27 21:16   ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-27 21:16     ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-27 21:49     ` Johannes Weiner
2012-11-27 21:49       ` Johannes Weiner
2012-11-27 22:02       ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-27 22:02         ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-27 22:26         ` Johannes Weiner
2012-11-27 22:26           ` Johannes Weiner
2012-11-27 23:19           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-27 23:19             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-28 10:13             ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-28 10:13               ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-28 10:51               ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2012-11-28 10:51                 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2012-11-28 16:42               ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-28 16:42                 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-28 22:52               ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-28 22:52                 ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-28 23:54                 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-28 23:54                   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-29  0:14                   ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-29  0:14                     ` Andrew Morton
2012-11-29 15:30                   ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2012-11-29 15:30                     ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2012-11-29 17:05                     ` Johannes Weiner
2012-11-29 17:05                       ` Johannes Weiner
2012-11-30 12:39                       ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2012-11-30 12:39                         ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2012-12-01  0:45                         ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-01  0:45                           ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-03  8:30                           ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2012-12-03  8:30                             ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2012-12-03 13:08                             ` Fedora repo (was: Re: kswapd craziness in 3.7) Borislav Petkov
2012-12-03 13:08                               ` Borislav Petkov
2012-12-03 19:42                             ` kswapd craziness in 3.7 Johannes Weiner
2012-12-03 19:42                               ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-04 21:42                               ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-04 21:42                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-05  3:01                                 ` Bruno Wolff III
2012-12-05  3:01                                   ` Bruno Wolff III
2012-12-06 17:37                                   ` Bruno Wolff III
2012-12-06 17:37                                     ` Bruno Wolff III
2012-12-06 19:31                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-12-06 19:31                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-12-06 19:43                                       ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-06 19:43                                         ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-06 20:23                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-06 20:23                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-06 20:32                                         ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-06 20:32                                           ` Rik van Riel
2012-12-08 12:06                                       ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-08 12:06                                         ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-08 21:22                                         ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-08 21:22                                           ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-09  1:01                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-12-09  1:01                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-12-09 21:59                                             ` Zdenek Kabelac [this message]
2012-12-09 21:59                                               ` Zdenek Kabelac
2012-12-10 11:03                                             ` Mel Gorman
2012-12-10 11:03                                               ` Mel Gorman
2012-12-10 16:39                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-10 16:39                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-10 18:01                                                 ` Mel Gorman
2012-12-10 18:01                                                   ` Mel Gorman
2012-12-10 18:33                                                   ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-10 18:33                                                     ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-10 19:13                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-12-10 19:13                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-12-10 20:35                                                       ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-10 20:35                                                         ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-10 21:28                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-12-10 21:28                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-12-10 21:42                                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2012-12-10 21:42                                                             ` Borislav Petkov
2012-12-10 21:47                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-12-10 21:47                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-12-10 21:54                                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2012-12-10 21:54                                                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2012-12-10 22:15                                                                 ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-10 22:15                                                                   ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-10 23:27                                                           ` Hugh Dickins
2012-12-10 23:27                                                             ` Hugh Dickins
2012-12-11  0:19                                                         ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-11 21:56                                                           ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-11 21:56                                                             ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-19 22:24                                                           ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-19 22:24                                                             ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-10 18:29                                               ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-10 18:29                                                 ` Zlatko Calusic
2012-12-06  8:09                               ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2012-12-06  8:09                                 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2012-11-27 21:29   ` Johannes Weiner
2012-11-27 21:29     ` Johannes Weiner
2012-11-28 13:35   ` Zdenek Kabelac
2012-11-28 13:35     ` Zdenek Kabelac
2012-11-28 14:04     ` Jiri Slaby
2012-11-28 14:04       ` Jiri Slaby
2012-11-28  9:45 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-28  9:45   ` Mel Gorman
2012-12-03 15:23   ` Zdenek Kabelac
2012-12-03 15:23     ` Zdenek Kabelac
2012-12-03 19:18     ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-03 19:18       ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-04  9:05       ` Zdenek Kabelac
2012-12-04  9:05         ` Zdenek Kabelac
2012-12-04  9:15         ` Jiri Slaby
2012-12-04  9:15           ` Jiri Slaby
2012-12-04 16:11           ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-04 16:11             ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-04 16:22             ` Jiri Slaby
2012-12-04 16:22               ` Jiri Slaby
2012-12-04 19:50               ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-04 19:50                 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-08 10:35             ` Jiri Slaby
2012-12-08 10:35               ` Jiri Slaby
2012-12-04 16:15         ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-04 16:15           ` Johannes Weiner
2012-12-06 13:51         ` Zdenek Kabelac
2012-12-06 13:51           ` Zdenek Kabelac
2012-12-03 13:14 ` Jiri Slaby
2012-12-03 13:14   ` Jiri Slaby
2012-12-04  8:55   ` Jiri Slaby
2012-12-04  8:55     ` Jiri Slaby

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