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From: Santosh Shilimkar <santosh.shilimkar@ti.com>
To: balbi@ti.com
Cc: Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>,
	rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul@pwsan.com>,
	Linux OMAP Mailing List <linux-omap@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM Kernel Mailing List
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:01:29 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <511F51F1.1000601@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130216092236.GB20007@arwen.pp.htv.fi>

On Saturday 16 February 2013 02:52 PM, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 02:47:45PM +0530, Santosh Shilimkar wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:31:21AM +0530, Santosh Shilimkar wrote:
>>>>>> The main goal is to avoid duplicating data both in hwmod and DT.
>>>>>> That's pretty much solved as we can have the driver probe populate
>>>>>> the common data for hwmod from DT as Santosh has already demonstrated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then we also want the driver specific idle and reset code to be done
>>>>>> in the drivers rather than in hwmod and glue it together with hwmod
>>>>>> using runtime PM. The biggest issue there is how do we reset and idle
>>>>>> some piece of hardware for PM purposes when there's no driver loaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> right, this will be a tough nut to crack.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess the only way would be reset all IPs early in the boot process,
>>>>> before even creating the platform-devices. Can we do that ? I mean, from
>>>>> omap_device_build_from_dt() we have access to address space of all
>>>>> devices, through ti,hwmods we can figure out which hwmods are linked to
>>>>> that particular device, so whenever you build a device, you could just
>>>>> call _reset().
>>>>>
>>>> Thats what we do today and it works perfectly. As per Tony's suggestion,
>>>> we need to move the non-probed devices reset and idle setup to late_init
>>>> which is also doable.
>>>>
>>>> In that case when probed driver calls runtime_get(), we reset that
>>>> device and setup the idle settings. And remainder of the devices
>>>> are managed in late_init().
>>>
>>> what's the point in moving it to late_initcall() ? It makes no
>>> difference, if no driver binds to that device it will stay in reset
>>> anyway. Maybe what we're missing is properly idling (not exactly) all
>>> devices before driver probe kicks in.
>>>
>> I think it is largely reducing the early init dependencies and also
>> reducing the role of platform code who today takes care of every
>> device idle and reset initialization. That way late_init() will
>> only have to care about the devices which are not probed by
>> drivers.
>>
>> Tony, Is that right ?
>
> Makes not much difference, except that you will have to keep track of
> which devices have gotten a driver probed and which haven't.
>
> IMO, it sounds a lot better to reset everything early on, so we know
> we're starting at a known stage (and thus drop all bootloader
> dependencies) then to follow the other route.
>
I tend to agree with you. This was exactly the reason Paul and Benoit
added that support first up as part of early init code.

>>> The difficult part is handling special reset requirements for devices
>>> without drivers as there'd be no ->runtime_reset() to call.
>>>
>> I don't think that requirement exists so if we address the driver
>> requirement, we are good. Even otherwise also, it can be managed
>
> Look back at what you want to do at late_initcall() time. You want to
> reset all devices which haven't gotten a driver bound to them.
>
>> from platform code.
>
> right, the you will need even more data in hwmod to let it know about
> the special devices. /me wonders when the amount of data will actually
> decrease.
>
Well that is already supported. There is no need to add any additional
information. Device which are initialized, there state is set as
initialized. So the late_init() will just have to iterate over
un-initialised devices.

Just to be clear, I am also in favor of just keeping that part as it
is today but we were exploring other options based on comments from
Tony during OMAP5 data review.

Regards,
Santosh


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: santosh.shilimkar@ti.com (Santosh Shilimkar)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:01:29 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <511F51F1.1000601@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130216092236.GB20007@arwen.pp.htv.fi>

On Saturday 16 February 2013 02:52 PM, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 02:47:45PM +0530, Santosh Shilimkar wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:31:21AM +0530, Santosh Shilimkar wrote:
>>>>>> The main goal is to avoid duplicating data both in hwmod and DT.
>>>>>> That's pretty much solved as we can have the driver probe populate
>>>>>> the common data for hwmod from DT as Santosh has already demonstrated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then we also want the driver specific idle and reset code to be done
>>>>>> in the drivers rather than in hwmod and glue it together with hwmod
>>>>>> using runtime PM. The biggest issue there is how do we reset and idle
>>>>>> some piece of hardware for PM purposes when there's no driver loaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> right, this will be a tough nut to crack.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess the only way would be reset all IPs early in the boot process,
>>>>> before even creating the platform-devices. Can we do that ? I mean, from
>>>>> omap_device_build_from_dt() we have access to address space of all
>>>>> devices, through ti,hwmods we can figure out which hwmods are linked to
>>>>> that particular device, so whenever you build a device, you could just
>>>>> call _reset().
>>>>>
>>>> Thats what we do today and it works perfectly. As per Tony's suggestion,
>>>> we need to move the non-probed devices reset and idle setup to late_init
>>>> which is also doable.
>>>>
>>>> In that case when probed driver calls runtime_get(), we reset that
>>>> device and setup the idle settings. And remainder of the devices
>>>> are managed in late_init().
>>>
>>> what's the point in moving it to late_initcall() ? It makes no
>>> difference, if no driver binds to that device it will stay in reset
>>> anyway. Maybe what we're missing is properly idling (not exactly) all
>>> devices before driver probe kicks in.
>>>
>> I think it is largely reducing the early init dependencies and also
>> reducing the role of platform code who today takes care of every
>> device idle and reset initialization. That way late_init() will
>> only have to care about the devices which are not probed by
>> drivers.
>>
>> Tony, Is that right ?
>
> Makes not much difference, except that you will have to keep track of
> which devices have gotten a driver probed and which haven't.
>
> IMO, it sounds a lot better to reset everything early on, so we know
> we're starting at a known stage (and thus drop all bootloader
> dependencies) then to follow the other route.
>
I tend to agree with you. This was exactly the reason Paul and Benoit
added that support first up as part of early init code.

>>> The difficult part is handling special reset requirements for devices
>>> without drivers as there'd be no ->runtime_reset() to call.
>>>
>> I don't think that requirement exists so if we address the driver
>> requirement, we are good. Even otherwise also, it can be managed
>
> Look back at what you want to do at late_initcall() time. You want to
> reset all devices which haven't gotten a driver bound to them.
>
>> from platform code.
>
> right, the you will need even more data in hwmod to let it know about
> the special devices. /me wonders when the amount of data will actually
> decrease.
>
Well that is already supported. There is no need to add any additional
information. Device which are initialized, there state is set as
initialized. So the late_init() will just have to iterate over
un-initialised devices.

Just to be clear, I am also in favor of just keeping that part as it
is today but we were exploring other options based on comments from
Tony during OMAP5 data review.

Regards,
Santosh

  reply	other threads:[~2013-02-16  9:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 142+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-14 11:15 [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 1/3] arm: omap: use generic implementation if !od Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 11:15 ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 11:15 ` [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 17:12   ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 17:12     ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 17:56     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 17:56       ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 18:12       ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 18:12         ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 19:27         ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 19:27           ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 19:39           ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 19:39             ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 20:47             ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-14 20:47               ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-14 21:40               ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-14 21:40                 ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-14 22:47                 ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 22:47                   ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-15  6:46                   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15  6:46                     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15  7:29                     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-15  7:29                       ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-19 15:30                   ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-19 15:30                     ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-19 15:45                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-19 15:45                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-19 16:30                       ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 16:30                         ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 18:22                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-19 18:22                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-19 19:31                           ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 19:31                             ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 19:43                             ` hwmod data duplication (was: Re: [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency) Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 19:43                               ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 22:09                               ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 22:09                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 22:22                                 ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 22:22                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 22:31                                   ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 22:31                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 22:51                                     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 22:51                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15 10:26                 ` [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-15 10:26                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-14 21:56               ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-14 21:56                 ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-14 22:22               ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-14 22:22                 ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-15  6:53                 ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15  6:53                   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15  7:27                   ` Bedia, Vaibhav
2013-02-15  7:27                     ` Bedia, Vaibhav
2013-02-19 15:27                 ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-19 15:27                   ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-19 16:38                   ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 16:38                     ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 16:57                     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 16:57                       ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 17:43                       ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 17:43                         ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-19 18:34                         ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 18:34                           ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 19:16                     ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-19 19:16                       ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-19 19:32                       ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 19:32                         ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 19:50                         ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-19 19:50                           ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-19 20:10                           ` OMAP reset requirements (was: Re: [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency) ^[:x Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 20:10                             ` OMAP reset requirements (was: Re: [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency)^[:x Felipe Balbi
2013-02-19 20:25                             ` OMAP reset requirements Kevin Hilman
2013-02-19 20:25                               ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-20  6:26                       ` [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 2/3] serial: omap: remove hwmod dependency Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-20  6:26                         ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-15  6:44               ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15  6:44                 ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15  7:27                 ` Bedia, Vaibhav
2013-02-15  7:27                   ` Bedia, Vaibhav
2013-02-20 17:38                 ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-20 17:38                   ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-20 19:16                   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-20 19:16                     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-20 20:03                     ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-20 20:03                       ` Paul Walmsley
2013-02-20 20:37                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-20 20:37                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 10:16                     ` Peter De Schrijver
2013-02-21 10:16                       ` Peter De Schrijver
2013-02-21 12:09                       ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-02-21 12:09                         ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-02-15 10:16               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-15 10:16                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-15 13:26                 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-15 13:26                   ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-15 13:27                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-15 13:27                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-15 13:31                     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-15 13:31                       ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-15 16:30                       ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-15 16:30                         ` Tony Lindgren
2013-02-15 16:42                         ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15 16:42                           ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-16  6:01                           ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  6:01                             ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  8:55                             ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-16  8:55                               ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-16  9:17                               ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  9:17                                 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  9:22                                 ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-16  9:22                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-16  9:31                                   ` Santosh Shilimkar [this message]
2013-02-16  9:31                                     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-18 15:27                               ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-18 15:27                                 ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-16  5:31                         ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  5:31                           ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  5:36                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-16  5:36                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-16  5:48                           ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  5:48                             ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-18  8:08                             ` Bedia, Vaibhav
2013-02-18  8:08                               ` Bedia, Vaibhav
2013-02-18  8:28                               ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-18  8:28                                 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-15 15:40   ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-15 15:40     ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-15 16:03     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15 16:03       ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-16  4:59     ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-16  4:59       ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-18 14:52       ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-18 14:52         ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-14 11:15 ` [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 3/3] arm: boot: dts: omap: remove ti_hwmods from UART ports Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 11:20 ` [RFC/NOT FOR MERGING 1/3] arm: omap: use generic implementation if !od Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-14 11:20   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-14 17:57   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-14 17:57     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15 15:28 ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-15 15:28   ` Kevin Hilman
2013-02-15 16:04   ` Felipe Balbi
2013-02-15 16:04     ` Felipe Balbi

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