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From: Howard Chu <hyc@symas.com>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: mmap vs fs cache
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 01:40:36 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5139B214.3040303@symas.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130308084246.GA4411@shutemov.name>

Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 11:46:39PM -0800, Howard Chu wrote:
>> You're misreading the information then. slapd is doing no caching of
>> its own, its RSS and SHR memory size are both the same. All it is
>> using is the mmap, nothing else. The RSS == SHR == FS cache, up to
>> 16GB. RSS is always == SHR, but above 16GB they grow more slowly
>> than the FS cache.
>
> It only means, that some pages got unmapped from your process. It can
> happned, for instance, due page migration. There's nothing worry about: it
> will be mapped back on next page fault to the page and it's only minor
> page fault since the page is in pagecache anyway.

Unfortunately there *is* something to worry about. As I said already - when 
the test spans 30GB, the FS cache fills up the rest of RAM and the test is 
doing a lot of real I/O even though it shouldn't need to. Please, read the 
entire original post before replying.

There is no way that a process that is accessing only 30GB of a mmap should be 
able to fill up 32GB of RAM. There's nothing else running on the machine, I've 
killed or suspended everything else in userland besides a couple shells 
running top and vmstat. When I manually drop_caches repeatedly, then 
eventually slapd RSS/SHR grows to 30GB and the physical I/O stops.

-- 
   -- Howard Chu
   CTO, Symas Corp.           http://www.symas.com
   Director, Highland Sun     http://highlandsun.com/hyc/
   Chief Architect, OpenLDAP  http://www.openldap.org/project/

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From: Howard Chu <hyc@symas.com>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: mmap vs fs cache
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 01:40:36 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5139B214.3040303@symas.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130308084246.GA4411@shutemov.name>

Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 11:46:39PM -0800, Howard Chu wrote:
>> You're misreading the information then. slapd is doing no caching of
>> its own, its RSS and SHR memory size are both the same. All it is
>> using is the mmap, nothing else. The RSS == SHR == FS cache, up to
>> 16GB. RSS is always == SHR, but above 16GB they grow more slowly
>> than the FS cache.
>
> It only means, that some pages got unmapped from your process. It can
> happned, for instance, due page migration. There's nothing worry about: it
> will be mapped back on next page fault to the page and it's only minor
> page fault since the page is in pagecache anyway.

Unfortunately there *is* something to worry about. As I said already - when 
the test spans 30GB, the FS cache fills up the rest of RAM and the test is 
doing a lot of real I/O even though it shouldn't need to. Please, read the 
entire original post before replying.

There is no way that a process that is accessing only 30GB of a mmap should be 
able to fill up 32GB of RAM. There's nothing else running on the machine, I've 
killed or suspended everything else in userland besides a couple shells 
running top and vmstat. When I manually drop_caches repeatedly, then 
eventually slapd RSS/SHR grows to 30GB and the physical I/O stops.

-- 
   -- Howard Chu
   CTO, Symas Corp.           http://www.symas.com
   Director, Highland Sun     http://highlandsun.com/hyc/
   Chief Architect, OpenLDAP  http://www.openldap.org/project/

  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-08  9:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-05 17:57 mmap vs fs cache Howard Chu
2013-03-05 23:55 ` Howard Chu
2013-03-06 10:14   ` Howard Chu
2013-03-06 10:22     ` Howard Chu
2013-03-07 15:43 ` Jan Kara
2013-03-07 15:43   ` Jan Kara
2013-03-08  2:08   ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-08  2:08     ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-08  7:46     ` Howard Chu
2013-03-08  7:46       ` Howard Chu
2013-03-08  8:42       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-03-08  8:42         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-03-08  9:40         ` Howard Chu [this message]
2013-03-08  9:40           ` Howard Chu
2013-03-08 14:47           ` Chris Friesen
2013-03-08 14:47             ` Chris Friesen
2013-03-08 15:00             ` Howard Chu
2013-03-08 15:00               ` Howard Chu
2013-03-08 15:25               ` Chris Friesen
2013-03-08 15:25                 ` Chris Friesen
2013-03-08 16:16               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-08 16:16                 ` Johannes Weiner
2013-03-08 20:04                 ` Howard Chu
2013-03-08 20:04                   ` Howard Chu
2013-03-11 12:04                   ` Jan Kara
2013-03-11 12:04                     ` Jan Kara
2013-03-11 12:40                     ` Howard Chu
2013-03-11 12:40                       ` Howard Chu
2013-03-09  3:28                 ` Ric Mason
2013-03-09  3:28                   ` Ric Mason
2013-03-09  1:22               ` Phillip Susi
2013-03-09  1:22                 ` Phillip Susi
2013-03-11 11:52                 ` Jan Kara
2013-03-11 11:52                   ` Jan Kara
2013-03-11 15:03                   ` Phillip Susi
2013-03-11 15:03                     ` Phillip Susi
2013-03-09  2:34     ` Ric Mason
2013-03-09  2:34       ` Ric Mason

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