From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Yinghai Lu <yinghai@kernel.org>,
Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, WANG Chao <chaowang@redhat.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86, kdump: Set crashkernel_low automatically
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:19:16 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <513E3C44.9030402@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130311201245.GC14738@redhat.com>
On 03/11/2013 01:12 PM, Vivek Goyal wrote:
>>
>> Quite frankly the whole design seems to be held together with chewing
>> gum. At the core, the problem is a tight coupling between kexec-tools
>> version, kexec-tools options, and kernel command line options that have
>> to be combined in very ugly ways. Part of the reason is that the kernel
>> isn't actually given the information it needs to do the job required.
>>
>> As far as "if a user wants to load"... why on Earth should that be the
>> default? How could that *not* be an exceptional case?
>
> Because it breaks existing user cases. We had this limitation so far
> that bzImage has to be loaded in first 896MB. And for 32bit bzImage
> entry, I think that is still true?
>
> So how can kernel assume that user is always loading a 64bit bzImage
> and reserve memory accordingly.
>
> Also in the past we did not have relocatable kernel and memory had to
> be reserved at the address new kernel is built. Thankfully that is
> no more the case.
>
The problem with this argument here is that we are spiraling down the
drain of increasing user-visible complexity in order to not break
existing but exotic use cases. We need to stop and reverse this trend.
I want to make a few observations on this:
1. Running with an archaic kexec-tools should be considered an anomaly.
If necessary, we could introduce a kernel option to let the kernel know
which kexec-tools version the user will use.
2. As long as memory is available, there is always the option to shift
memory around to accommodate the crashkernel. That probably should have
been done all along.
3. The memory size reserved should be deduced automatically to the
greatest possible extent.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-03-11 20:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-03-08 5:54 3.9-rc1: crash kernel panic - not syncing: Can not allocate SWIOTLB buffer earlier and can't now provide you with the DMA bounce buffer WANG Chao
2013-03-08 6:03 ` CAI Qian
2013-03-08 6:03 ` CAI Qian
2013-03-08 6:32 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08 6:32 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08 6:36 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08 6:36 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08 7:20 ` WANG Chao
2013-03-08 7:20 ` WANG Chao
2013-03-08 7:27 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08 7:27 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08 7:33 ` WANG Chao
2013-03-08 7:33 ` WANG Chao
2013-03-08 7:50 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08 7:50 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08 12:12 ` WANG Chao
2013-03-08 18:24 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08 18:24 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08 19:39 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08 19:39 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 3:42 ` WANG Chao
2013-03-11 3:42 ` WANG Chao
2013-03-11 4:56 ` [PATCH] x86, kdump: Set crashkernel_low automatically Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 14:48 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 15:02 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 17:58 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 18:26 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 18:44 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 18:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 18:50 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 18:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 19:06 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 19:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 19:08 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 19:20 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 19:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 20:12 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 20:19 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2013-03-11 20:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 20:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-03-11 20:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 21:10 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 21:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 20:45 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 20:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 21:03 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 21:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-12 13:46 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-12 8:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-03-11 20:57 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 21:06 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 21:15 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 19:10 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 19:34 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 19:38 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 19:39 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 19:44 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 19:44 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-18 14:46 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-18 15:33 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-18 19:05 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-18 19:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-18 20:00 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-18 21:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-18 21:25 ` [PATCH v3] " Yinghai Lu
2013-03-18 22:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-18 23:26 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-19 0:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-19 1:04 ` [PATCH v4] " Yinghai Lu
2013-03-19 13:33 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-19 15:05 ` [PATCH v5] " Yinghai Lu
2013-03-20 13:08 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-20 15:53 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-20 16:03 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-20 16:21 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-20 16:31 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-20 19:22 ` [PATCH] kexec: use Crash kernel for Crash kernel low Yinghai Lu
2013-03-25 19:42 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-25 21:50 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-26 18:14 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-01 13:34 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-01 18:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-01 19:26 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-01 20:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-01 21:10 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-01 22:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-01 22:17 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-01 22:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-01 22:40 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-02 1:11 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-02 13:50 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-02 14:17 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-02 14:50 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-02 14:45 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-02 14:58 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-02 15:44 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-02 15:39 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-02 15:46 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-02 15:50 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-02 17:21 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-02 13:30 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-20 19:24 ` [PATCH] kdump, x86: Process multiple Crash kernel in /proc/iomem Yinghai Lu
2013-03-22 17:59 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-22 20:52 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-22 21:21 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-22 21:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-22 21:35 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-22 21:32 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 19:14 ` [PATCH] x86, kdump: Set crashkernel_low automatically Eric W. Biederman
2013-03-11 19:22 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 19:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 20:17 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 19:56 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 19:02 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 19:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 19:17 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 13:14 ` 3.9-rc1: crash kernel panic - not syncing: Can not allocate SWIOTLB buffer earlier and can't now provide you with the DMA bounce buffer Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-11 13:14 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-08 7:52 ` Takao Indoh
2013-03-08 7:52 ` Takao Indoh
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