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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Yinghai Lu <yinghai@kernel.org>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, WANG Chao <chaowang@redhat.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86, kdump: Set crashkernel_low automatically
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:36:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <513E4064.7090501@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <513E3C44.9030402@zytor.com>

On 03/11/2013 01:19 PM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> 
> The problem with this argument here is that we are spiraling down the
> drain of increasing user-visible complexity in order to not break
> existing but exotic use cases.  We need to stop and reverse this trend.
>  I want to make a few observations on this:
> 
> 1. Running with an archaic kexec-tools should be considered an anomaly.
>  If necessary, we could introduce a kernel option to let the kernel know
> which kexec-tools version the user will use.
> 
> 2. As long as memory is available, there is always the option to shift
> memory around to accommodate the crashkernel.  That probably should have
> been done all along.
> 
> 3. The memory size reserved should be deduced automatically to the
> greatest possible extent.
> 

The really big picture problem here is that the host kernel is expected
to predict at boot time what will happen in the future: what are the
requirements of the kdump kernel, and its tools, which hasn't been
loaded yet?

Can we get past that as a fundamental problem?

	-hpa


  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-11 20:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-08  5:54 3.9-rc1: crash kernel panic - not syncing: Can not allocate SWIOTLB buffer earlier and can't now provide you with the DMA bounce buffer WANG Chao
2013-03-08  6:03 ` CAI Qian
2013-03-08  6:03   ` CAI Qian
2013-03-08  6:32   ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08  6:32     ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08  6:36     ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08  6:36       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08  7:20       ` WANG Chao
2013-03-08  7:20         ` WANG Chao
2013-03-08  7:27         ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08  7:27           ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08  7:33           ` WANG Chao
2013-03-08  7:33             ` WANG Chao
2013-03-08  7:50             ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08  7:50               ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08 12:12               ` WANG Chao
2013-03-08 18:24                 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08 18:24                   ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08 19:39                   ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-08 19:39                     ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11  3:42                     ` WANG Chao
2013-03-11  3:42                       ` WANG Chao
2013-03-11  4:56                       ` [PATCH] x86, kdump: Set crashkernel_low automatically Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 14:48                         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 15:02                           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 17:58                             ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 18:26                               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 18:44                                 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 18:46                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 18:50                                   ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 18:55                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 19:06                                       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 19:06                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 19:08                                           ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 19:20                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 19:55                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 20:12                                             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 20:19                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 20:36                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2013-03-11 20:38                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-03-11 20:42                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 21:10                                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 21:13                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 20:45                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 20:50                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 21:03                                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 21:06                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-12 13:46                                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-12  8:35                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-03-11 20:57                                                     ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 21:06                                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 21:15                                                         ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 19:10                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 19:34                                         ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 19:38                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 19:39                                             ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 19:44                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 19:44                                               ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-18 14:46                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-18 15:33                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-18 19:05                                                     ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-18 19:10                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-18 20:00                                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-18 21:14                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-18 21:25                                                           ` [PATCH v3] " Yinghai Lu
2013-03-18 22:52                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-18 23:26                                                               ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-19  0:27                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-19  1:04                                                                   ` [PATCH v4] " Yinghai Lu
2013-03-19 13:33                                                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-19 15:05                                                                       ` [PATCH v5] " Yinghai Lu
2013-03-20 13:08                                                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-20 15:53                                                                           ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-20 16:03                                                                             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-20 16:21                                                                               ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-20 16:31                                                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-20 19:22                                                                                   ` [PATCH] kexec: use Crash kernel for Crash kernel low Yinghai Lu
2013-03-25 19:42                                                                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-25 21:50                                                                                       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-26 18:14                                                                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-01 13:34                                                                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-01 18:33                                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-01 19:26                                                                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-01 20:47                                                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-01 21:10                                                                                                   ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-01 22:02                                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-01 22:17                                                                                                       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-01 22:20                                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-04-01 22:40                                                                                                           ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-02  1:11                                                                                                             ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-02 13:50                                                                                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-02 14:17                                                                                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-02 14:50                                                                                                                   ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-02 14:45                                                                                                                 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-02 14:58                                                                                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-02 15:44                                                                                                                     ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-02 15:39                                                                                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-02 15:46                                                                                                                     ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-02 15:50                                                                                                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-02 17:21                                                                                                                         ` Yinghai Lu
2013-04-02 13:30                                                                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-20 19:24                                                                                   ` [PATCH] kdump, x86: Process multiple Crash kernel in /proc/iomem Yinghai Lu
2013-03-22 17:59                                                                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-22 20:52                                                                                       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-22 21:21                                                                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-22 21:27                                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-22 21:35                                                                                             ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-22 21:32                                                                                           ` Yinghai Lu
2013-03-11 19:14                                       ` [PATCH] x86, kdump: Set crashkernel_low automatically Eric W. Biederman
2013-03-11 19:22                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 19:59                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 20:17                                             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 19:56                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 19:02                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 19:04                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-03-11 19:17                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-11 13:14                     ` 3.9-rc1: crash kernel panic - not syncing: Can not allocate SWIOTLB buffer earlier and can't now provide you with the DMA bounce buffer Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-11 13:14                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-03-08  7:52             ` Takao Indoh
2013-03-08  7:52               ` Takao Indoh

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