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From: Cody P Schafer <cody@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] mm: fixup changers of per cpu pageset's ->high and ->batch
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 14:17:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <516333F2.7090706@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5163159A.20800@gmail.com>

On 04/08/2013 12:08 PM, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> (4/8/13 1:16 PM), Cody P Schafer wrote:
>> On 04/07/2013 08:23 AM, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
>>> (4/5/13 4:33 PM), Cody P Schafer wrote:
>>>> In one case while modifying the ->high and ->batch fields of per cpu pagesets
>>>> we're unneededly using stop_machine() (patches 1 & 2), and in another we don't have any
>>>> syncronization at all (patch 3).
>>>>
>>>> This patchset fixes both of them.
>>>>
>>>> Note that it results in a change to the behavior of zone_pcp_update(), which is
>>>> used by memory_hotplug. I _think_ that I've diserned (and preserved) the
>>>> essential behavior (changing ->high and ->batch), and only eliminated unneeded
>>>> actions (draining the per cpu pages), but this may not be the case.
>>>
>>> at least, memory hotplug need to drain.
>>
>> Could you explain why the drain is required here? From what I can tell,
>> after the stop_machine() completes, the per cpu page sets could be
>> repopulated at any point, making the combination of draining and
>> modifying ->batch & ->high uneeded.
> 
> Then, memory hotplug again and again try to drain. Moreover hotplug prevent repopulation
> by using MIGRATE_ISOLATE.
> pcp never be page count == 0 and it prevent memory hot remove.

zone_pcp_update() is not part of the drain retry loop, in the offline
pages case, it is only called following success in "removal" (online
pages also calls zone_pcp_update(), I don't see how it could benifit in
any way from draining the per cpu pagesets).

So I still don't see where the need for draining pages combined with
modifying ->high and ->batch came from.

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From: Cody P Schafer <cody@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] mm: fixup changers of per cpu pageset's ->high and ->batch
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 14:17:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <516333F2.7090706@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5163159A.20800@gmail.com>

On 04/08/2013 12:08 PM, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> (4/8/13 1:16 PM), Cody P Schafer wrote:
>> On 04/07/2013 08:23 AM, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
>>> (4/5/13 4:33 PM), Cody P Schafer wrote:
>>>> In one case while modifying the ->high and ->batch fields of per cpu pagesets
>>>> we're unneededly using stop_machine() (patches 1 & 2), and in another we don't have any
>>>> syncronization at all (patch 3).
>>>>
>>>> This patchset fixes both of them.
>>>>
>>>> Note that it results in a change to the behavior of zone_pcp_update(), which is
>>>> used by memory_hotplug. I _think_ that I've diserned (and preserved) the
>>>> essential behavior (changing ->high and ->batch), and only eliminated unneeded
>>>> actions (draining the per cpu pages), but this may not be the case.
>>>
>>> at least, memory hotplug need to drain.
>>
>> Could you explain why the drain is required here? From what I can tell,
>> after the stop_machine() completes, the per cpu page sets could be
>> repopulated at any point, making the combination of draining and
>> modifying ->batch & ->high uneeded.
> 
> Then, memory hotplug again and again try to drain. Moreover hotplug prevent repopulation
> by using MIGRATE_ISOLATE.
> pcp never be page count == 0 and it prevent memory hot remove.

zone_pcp_update() is not part of the drain retry loop, in the offline
pages case, it is only called following success in "removal" (online
pages also calls zone_pcp_update(), I don't see how it could benifit in
any way from draining the per cpu pagesets).

So I still don't see where the need for draining pages combined with
modifying ->high and ->batch came from.


  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-08 21:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-05 20:33 [PATCH 0/3] mm: fixup changers of per cpu pageset's ->high and ->batch Cody P Schafer
2013-04-05 20:33 ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-05 20:33 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm/page_alloc: factor out setting of pcp->high and pcp->batch Cody P Schafer
2013-04-05 20:33   ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-07  1:37   ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-07  1:37     ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-08 17:39     ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-08 17:39       ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-09  5:42       ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-09  5:42         ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-05 20:33 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm/page_alloc: convert zone_pcp_update() to use on_each_cpu() instead of stop_machine() Cody P Schafer
2013-04-05 20:33   ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-07 15:39   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-07 15:39     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-08 17:32     ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-08 17:32       ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-08 19:26       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-08 19:26         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-08 19:49         ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-08 19:49           ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-08 22:18           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-08 22:18             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-09  1:52             ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-09  1:52               ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-05 20:33 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: when handling percpu_pagelist_fraction, use on_each_cpu() to set percpu pageset fields Cody P Schafer
2013-04-05 20:33   ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-07  1:56   ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-07  1:56     ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-08 17:34     ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-08 17:34       ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-07 15:41   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-07 15:41     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-08 12:20   ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2013-04-08 12:20     ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2013-04-08 17:28     ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-08 17:28       ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-08 19:50       ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-08 19:50         ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-08 22:23         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-08 22:23           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-09  6:03       ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2013-04-09  6:03         ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2013-04-09  6:06         ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2013-04-09  6:06           ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2013-04-09 19:27           ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-09 19:27             ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-08 19:16     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-08 19:16       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-07  1:32 ` [PATCH 0/3] mm: fixup changers of per cpu pageset's ->high and ->batch Simon Jeons
2013-04-07  1:32   ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-08 19:37   ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-08 19:37     ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-07 15:23 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-07 15:23   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-08 17:16   ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-08 17:16     ` Cody P Schafer
2013-04-08 19:08     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-08 19:08       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-08 21:17       ` Cody P Schafer [this message]
2013-04-08 21:17         ` Cody P Schafer

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