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From: Bob Liu <bob.liu@oracle.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: Seth Jennings <sjenning@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Nitin Gupta <ngupta@vflare.org>, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>,
	Robert Jennings <rcj@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Jenifer Hopper <jhopper@us.ibm.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Larry Woodman <lwoodman@redhat.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Cody P Schafer <cody@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Hugh Dickens <hughd@google.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	devel@driverdev.osuosl.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv11 2/4] zbud: add to mm/
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:00:07 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <519D7827.80607@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130521081020.GT11497@suse.de>

Hi Mel & Seth,

On 05/21/2013 04:10 PM, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:42:25AM -0500, Seth Jennings wrote:
>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 02:54:39PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
>>> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 03:52:19PM -0500, Seth Jennings wrote:
>>>> My first guess is that the external fragmentation situation you are referring to
>>>> is a workload in which all pages compress to greater than half a page.  If so,
>>>> then it doesn't matter what NCHUCNKS_ORDER is, there won't be any pages the
>>>> compress enough to fit in the < PAGE_SIZE/2 free space that remains in the
>>>> unbuddied zbud pages.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are numerous aspects to this, too many to write them all down.
>>> Modelling the external fragmentation one and how it affects swap IO
>>> would be a complete pain in the ass so lets consider the following
>>> example instead as it's a bit clearer.
>>>
>>> Three processes. Process A compresses by 75%, Process B compresses to 15%,
>>> Process C pages compress to 15%. They are all adding to zswap in lockstep.
>>> Lets say that zswap can hold 100 physical pages.
>>>
>>> NCHUNKS == 2
>>> 	All Process A pages get rejected.
>>
>> Ah, I think this is our disconnect.  Process A pages will not be rejected.
>> They will be stored in a zbud page, and that zbud page will be added
>> to the 0th unbuddied list.  This list maintains a list of zbud pages
>> that will never be buddied because there are no free chunks.
>>
> 
> D'oh, good point. Unfortunately, the problem then still exists at the
> writeback end which I didn't bring up in the previous mail. 

What's your opinion if we write back the whole compressed page to swap disk?

-- 
Regards,
-Bob

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From: Bob Liu <bob.liu@oracle.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: Seth Jennings <sjenning@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Nitin Gupta <ngupta@vflare.org>, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>,
	Robert Jennings <rcj@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Jenifer Hopper <jhopper@us.ibm.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Larry Woodman <lwoodman@redhat.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Cody P Schafer <cody@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Hugh Dickens <hughd@google.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	devel@driverdev.osuosl.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv11 2/4] zbud: add to mm/
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:00:07 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <519D7827.80607@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130521081020.GT11497@suse.de>

Hi Mel & Seth,

On 05/21/2013 04:10 PM, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:42:25AM -0500, Seth Jennings wrote:
>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 02:54:39PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
>>> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 03:52:19PM -0500, Seth Jennings wrote:
>>>> My first guess is that the external fragmentation situation you are referring to
>>>> is a workload in which all pages compress to greater than half a page.  If so,
>>>> then it doesn't matter what NCHUCNKS_ORDER is, there won't be any pages the
>>>> compress enough to fit in the < PAGE_SIZE/2 free space that remains in the
>>>> unbuddied zbud pages.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are numerous aspects to this, too many to write them all down.
>>> Modelling the external fragmentation one and how it affects swap IO
>>> would be a complete pain in the ass so lets consider the following
>>> example instead as it's a bit clearer.
>>>
>>> Three processes. Process A compresses by 75%, Process B compresses to 15%,
>>> Process C pages compress to 15%. They are all adding to zswap in lockstep.
>>> Lets say that zswap can hold 100 physical pages.
>>>
>>> NCHUNKS == 2
>>> 	All Process A pages get rejected.
>>
>> Ah, I think this is our disconnect.  Process A pages will not be rejected.
>> They will be stored in a zbud page, and that zbud page will be added
>> to the 0th unbuddied list.  This list maintains a list of zbud pages
>> that will never be buddied because there are no free chunks.
>>
> 
> D'oh, good point. Unfortunately, the problem then still exists at the
> writeback end which I didn't bring up in the previous mail. 

What's your opinion if we write back the whole compressed page to swap disk?

-- 
Regards,
-Bob

  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-23  2:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-13 12:39 [PATCHv11 0/4] zswap: compressed swap caching Seth Jennings
2013-05-13 12:39 ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-13 12:40 ` [PATCHv11 1/4] debugfs: add get/set for atomic types Seth Jennings
2013-05-13 12:40   ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-16 14:58   ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-16 14:58     ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-13 12:40 ` [PATCHv11 2/4] zbud: add to mm/ Seth Jennings
2013-05-13 12:40   ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-14  8:47   ` Bob Liu
2013-05-14  8:47     ` Bob Liu
2013-05-14 17:03     ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-14 17:03       ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-16 15:30   ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-16 15:30     ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-17 15:48   ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-17 15:48     ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-19 20:52     ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-19 20:52       ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-20 13:54       ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-20 13:54         ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-20 15:42         ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-20 15:42           ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-21  8:10           ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-21  8:10             ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-23  2:00             ` Bob Liu [this message]
2013-05-23  2:00               ` Bob Liu
2013-05-23  9:52               ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-23  9:52                 ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-13 12:40 ` [PATCHv11 3/4] zswap: " Seth Jennings
2013-05-13 12:40   ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-14  9:19   ` Bob Liu
2013-05-14  9:19     ` Bob Liu
2013-05-14 16:00     ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-14 16:00       ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-14 16:37       ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-14 16:37         ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-14 17:28         ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-14 17:28           ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-14 20:54           ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-14 20:54             ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-17 17:00         ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-17 17:00           ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-16 17:16   ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-16 17:16     ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-17 16:54   ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-17 16:54     ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-19 23:33     ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-19 23:33       ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-13 12:40 ` [PATCHv11 4/4] zswap: add documentation Seth Jennings
2013-05-13 12:40   ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-16 17:06   ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-16 17:06     ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-17 16:04   ` Mel Gorman
2013-05-17 16:04     ` Mel Gorman
     [not found] <<1368448803-2089-1-git-send-email-sjenning@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found] ` <<1368448803-2089-3-git-send-email-sjenning@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2013-05-13 15:43   ` [PATCHv11 2/4] zbud: add to mm/ Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-13 15:43     ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-13 20:59     ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-13 20:59       ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-16 15:30       ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-16 15:30         ` Rik van Riel
     [not found] ` <<1368448803-2089-4-git-send-email-sjenning@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2013-05-13 22:31   ` [PATCHv11 3/4] zswap: " Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-13 22:31     ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-14 16:35     ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-14 16:35       ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-14 20:18       ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-14 20:18         ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-14 22:55         ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-14 22:55           ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-15 17:09           ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-15 17:09             ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-15 18:55             ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-05-15 18:55               ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-05-15 19:35               ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-15 19:35                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-15 20:45                 ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-15 20:45                   ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-15 21:36                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-15 21:36                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-15 22:01                     ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-15 22:01                       ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-15 20:09               ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-15 20:09                 ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-15 20:24                 ` Dave Hansen
2013-05-15 20:24                   ` Dave Hansen
2013-05-15 20:55                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-15 20:55                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-15 20:45                 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-05-15 20:45                   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-05-15 20:52                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-15 20:52                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-15 22:14         ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-15 22:14           ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-16 16:45           ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-16 16:45             ` Dan Magenheimer
2013-05-16 17:06             ` Rik van Riel
2013-05-16 17:06               ` Rik van Riel

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