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From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Tang Chen <imtangchen@gmail.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Tang Chen <tangchen@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	robert.moore@intel.com, lv.zheng@intel.com, rjw@sisk.pl,
	lenb@kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@elte.hu,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, trenn@suse.de, yinghai@kernel.org,
	jiang.liu@huawei.com, wency@cn.fujitsu.com, laijs@cn.fujitsu.com,
	isimatu.yasuaki@jp.fujitsu.com, izumi.taku@jp.fujitsu.com,
	mgorman@suse.de, minchan@kernel.org, mina86@mina86.com,
	gong.chen@linux.intel.com, vasilis.liaskovitis@profitbricks.com,
	lwoodman@redhat.com, riel@redhat.com, jweiner@redhat.com,
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	yanghy@cn.fujitsu.com, x86@kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH part5 0/7] Arrange hotpluggable memory as ZONE_MOVABLE.
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:22:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <520BCADE.2040109@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52091A10.4030501@zytor.com>

(8/12/13 1:23 PM), H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 08/12/2013 10:01 AM, Tang Chen wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm just thinking of a more extreme case. For example, if a machine
>>>> has only one node hotpluggable, and the kernel resides in that node.
>>>> Then the system has no hotpluggable node.
>>>
>>> Yeah, sure, then there's no way that node can be hotpluggable and the
>>> right thing to do is booting up the machine and informing the userland
>>> that memory is not hotpluggable.
>>>
>>>> If we can prevent the kernel from using hotpluggable memory, in such
>>>> a machine, users can still do memory hotplug.
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to do it as generic as possible. But yes, finding out the
>>>> nodes the kernel resides in and make it unhotpluggable can work.
>>>
>>> Short of being able to remap memory under the kernel, I don't think
>>> this can be very generic and as a compromise trying to keep as many
>>> hotpluggable nodes as possible doesn't sound too bad.
>>
>> I think making one of the node hotpluggable is better. But OK, it is
>> no big deal. There won't be such machine in reality, I think. :)
>>
>
> The user may very well have configured a system with mirrored memory for
> the kernel node as that will be non-hotpluggable, but not for the
> others.  One can wonder how much that actually buys in real life, but
> still...

Note. Such system is much cheaper than full memory mirroring system. That's
one of reason why server vendors are interesting in hot plugging.

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From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Tang Chen <imtangchen@gmail.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Tang Chen <tangchen@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	robert.moore@intel.com, lv.zheng@intel.com, rjw@sisk.pl,
	lenb@kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@elte.hu,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, trenn@suse.de, yinghai@kernel.org,
	jiang.liu@huawei.com, wency@cn.fujitsu.com, laijs@cn.fujitsu.com,
	isimatu.yasuaki@jp.fujitsu.com, izumi.taku@jp.fujitsu.com,
	mgorman@suse.de, minchan@kernel.org, mina86@mina86.com,
	gong.chen@linux.intel.com, vasilis.liaskovitis@profitbricks.com,
	lwoodman@redhat.com, riel@redhat.com, jweiner@redhat.com,
	prarit@redhat.com, zhangyanfei@cn.fujitsu.com,
	yanghy@cn.fujitsu.com, x86@kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH part5 0/7] Arrange hotpluggable memory as ZONE_MOVABLE.
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:22:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <520BCADE.2040109@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52091A10.4030501@zytor.com>

(8/12/13 1:23 PM), H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 08/12/2013 10:01 AM, Tang Chen wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm just thinking of a more extreme case. For example, if a machine
>>>> has only one node hotpluggable, and the kernel resides in that node.
>>>> Then the system has no hotpluggable node.
>>>
>>> Yeah, sure, then there's no way that node can be hotpluggable and the
>>> right thing to do is booting up the machine and informing the userland
>>> that memory is not hotpluggable.
>>>
>>>> If we can prevent the kernel from using hotpluggable memory, in such
>>>> a machine, users can still do memory hotplug.
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to do it as generic as possible. But yes, finding out the
>>>> nodes the kernel resides in and make it unhotpluggable can work.
>>>
>>> Short of being able to remap memory under the kernel, I don't think
>>> this can be very generic and as a compromise trying to keep as many
>>> hotpluggable nodes as possible doesn't sound too bad.
>>
>> I think making one of the node hotpluggable is better. But OK, it is
>> no big deal. There won't be such machine in reality, I think. :)
>>
>
> The user may very well have configured a system with mirrored memory for
> the kernel node as that will be non-hotpluggable, but not for the
> others.  One can wonder how much that actually buys in real life, but
> still...

Note. Such system is much cheaper than full memory mirroring system. That's
one of reason why server vendors are interesting in hot plugging.


  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-14 18:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-08 10:16 [PATCH part5 0/7] Arrange hotpluggable memory as ZONE_MOVABLE Tang Chen
2013-08-08 10:16 ` Tang Chen
2013-08-08 10:16 ` [PATCH part5 1/7] x86: get pg_data_t's memory from other node Tang Chen
2013-08-08 10:16   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12 14:39   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 14:39     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 15:12     ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12 15:12       ` Tang Chen
2013-08-08 10:16 ` [PATCH part5 2/7] x86, numa, mem_hotplug: Skip all the regions the kernel resides in Tang Chen
2013-08-08 10:16   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-08 10:16 ` [PATCH part5 3/7] memblock, numa: Introduce flag into memblock Tang Chen
2013-08-08 10:16   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-08 10:16 ` [PATCH part5 4/7] memblock, mem_hotplug: Introduce MEMBLOCK_HOTPLUG flag to mark hotpluggable regions Tang Chen
2013-08-08 10:16   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-08 10:16 ` [PATCH part5 5/7] memblock, mem_hotplug: Make memblock skip hotpluggable regions by default Tang Chen
2013-08-08 10:16   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-14 21:54   ` Naoya Horiguchi
2013-08-14 21:54     ` Naoya Horiguchi
2013-08-15  5:15     ` Tang Chen
2013-08-15  5:15       ` Tang Chen
2013-08-08 10:16 ` [PATCH part5 6/7] mem-hotplug: Introduce movablenode boot option to {en|dis}able using SRAT Tang Chen
2013-08-08 10:16   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-08 10:16 ` [PATCH part5 7/7] x86, numa, acpi, memory-hotplug: Make movablenode have higher priority Tang Chen
2013-08-08 10:16   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-09 16:32 ` [PATCH part5 0/7] Arrange hotpluggable memory as ZONE_MOVABLE Tejun Heo
2013-08-09 16:32   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12  6:33   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12  8:54   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12  8:54     ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12 14:50 ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 14:50   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 15:14   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-12 15:14     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-12 15:23     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 15:23       ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 16:29       ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12 16:29         ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12 16:46         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 16:46           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 18:23           ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12 18:23             ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12 20:20             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 20:20               ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 20:49               ` Luck, Tony
2013-08-12 20:49                 ` Luck, Tony
2013-08-12 20:54                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 20:54                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 20:57                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-12 20:57                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-12 21:06                     ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-12 21:06                       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-12 21:08                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 21:08                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 21:12                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-12 21:12                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-12 21:14                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 21:14                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 21:11                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-12 21:11                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-12 21:11                   ` Luck, Tony
2013-08-12 21:11                     ` Luck, Tony
2013-08-12 21:25                     ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-12 21:25                       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-12 21:28                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-12 21:28                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-13  5:14                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-13  5:14                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-13  6:14           ` Tang Chen
2013-08-13  6:14             ` Tang Chen
2013-08-13  9:56             ` Tang Chen
2013-08-13  9:56               ` Tang Chen
2013-08-13 14:38               ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 14:38                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-13 22:33               ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-13 22:33                 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-14  1:22                 ` Tang Chen
2013-08-14  1:22                   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-15 19:06                   ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-15 19:06                     ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-15 20:28                     ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-15 20:28                       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-16  2:08                       ` Tang Chen
2013-08-16  2:08                         ` Tang Chen
2013-08-16  4:21                         ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-16  4:21                           ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-19  3:07                           ` Tang Chen
2013-08-19  3:07                             ` Tang Chen
2013-08-19  3:28                             ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-19  3:28                               ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-15  8:42                 ` Tang Chen
2013-08-15  8:42                   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-15 12:19                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15 12:19                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15 12:44                     ` Tang Chen
2013-08-15 12:44                       ` Tang Chen
2013-08-15 12:49                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15 12:49                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15 12:52                         ` Tang Chen
2013-08-15 12:52                           ` Tang Chen
2013-08-15 14:37                       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-15 14:37                         ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-15 14:45                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15 14:45                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15 15:05                           ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-15 15:05                             ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-15 15:10                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15 15:10                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15 19:49                               ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-15 19:49                                 ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-15 19:08                             ` Luck, Tony
2013-08-15 19:08                               ` Luck, Tony
2013-08-15 19:34                               ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-15 19:34                                 ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-15 14:35                   ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-15 14:35                     ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-16  1:16                     ` Tang Chen
2013-08-16  1:16                       ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12 15:41   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12 15:41     ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12 15:46     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 15:46       ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 16:19       ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12 16:19         ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12 16:22         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 16:22           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 17:01           ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12 17:01             ` Tang Chen
2013-08-12 17:23             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-12 17:23               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-14 18:22               ` KOSAKI Motohiro [this message]
2013-08-14 18:22                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-12 18:07             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-12 18:07               ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 18:15               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-14 18:15                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-14 18:23                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 18:23                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 19:40                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-14 19:40                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-14 19:55                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 19:55                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 20:29                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-14 20:29                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-14 20:30                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-14 20:30                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-14 20:35                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 20:35                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 21:17                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-14 21:17                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-14 21:36                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-14 21:36                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15  1:08                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-15  1:08                                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-15  1:21                                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15  1:21                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15  1:33                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15  1:33                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15  1:44                                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-15  1:44                                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-15  2:22                                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15  2:22                                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15  1:38                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-15  1:38                                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-15  1:51                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-15  1:51                                       ` Tejun Heo

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