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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp-Gina5bIWoIWzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Dave Young <dyoung-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	X86 ML <x86-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	Matt Fleming
	<matt-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>,
	James Bottomley
	<James.Bottomley-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH -v2] EFI: Runtime services virtual mapping
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:46:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <524C6A14.40905@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131002184229.GE20568-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>

On 10/02/2013 11:42 AM, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> 
> Yes, so the alignment has to be such that both PA and VA are the same
> amount of 4K pages away from the next 2M boundary, to put it bluntly.
> 
> I have a couple of ideas on how to do that.
> 

It's pretty straightforward - just drop the starting address to proper
alignment after you subtract the size.

	-hpa

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: Dave Young <dyoung@redhat.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>,
	Matt Fleming <matt@console-pimps.org>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	linux-efi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH -v2] EFI: Runtime services virtual mapping
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:46:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <524C6A14.40905@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131002184229.GE20568@pd.tnic>

On 10/02/2013 11:42 AM, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> 
> Yes, so the alignment has to be such that both PA and VA are the same
> amount of 4K pages away from the next 2M boundary, to put it bluntly.
> 
> I have a couple of ideas on how to do that.
> 

It's pretty straightforward - just drop the starting address to proper
alignment after you subtract the size.

	-hpa



  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-10-02 18:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 207+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-19 14:54 [PATCH 00/11] EFI runtime services virtual mapping Borislav Petkov
2013-09-19 14:54 ` [PATCH 03/11] x86, pageattr: Lookup address in an arbitrary PGD Borislav Petkov
2013-09-19 14:54 ` [PATCH 04/11] x86, pageattr: Add a PGD pagetable populating function Borislav Petkov
2013-09-19 14:54 ` [PATCH 06/11] x86, pageattr: Add a PMD " Borislav Petkov
2013-09-19 14:54 ` [PATCH 07/11] x86, pageattr: Add a PTE " Borislav Petkov
2013-09-19 14:54 ` [PATCH 08/11] x86, pageattr: Add a PUD error unwinding path Borislav Petkov
     [not found] ` <1379602494-26684-1-git-send-email-bp-Gina5bIWoIWzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-19 14:54   ` [PATCH 01/11] efi: Simplify EFI_DEBUG Borislav Petkov
2013-09-19 14:54     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-19 14:54   ` [PATCH 02/11] efi: Remove EFI_PAGE_SHIFT and EFI_PAGE_SIZE Borislav Petkov
2013-09-19 14:54     ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]     ` <1379602494-26684-3-git-send-email-bp-Gina5bIWoIWzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-20 10:42       ` Matt Fleming
2013-09-20 10:42         ` Matt Fleming
2013-09-21 15:21         ` Leif Lindholm
2013-09-21 15:41           ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-21 15:50             ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-21 16:01               ` Leif Lindholm
     [not found]                 ` <20130921160121.GI2737-GZEopFhza0F985/tl1ce8aaDwS/vmuI7@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-21 16:03                   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-21 16:03                     ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]             ` <20130921154143.GC1587-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-21 15:59               ` Leif Lindholm
2013-09-21 15:59                 ` Leif Lindholm
2013-09-19 14:54   ` [PATCH 05/11] x86, pageattr: Add a PUD pagetable populating function Borislav Petkov
2013-09-19 14:54     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-19 14:54   ` [PATCH 09/11] x86, pageattr: Add last levels of error path Borislav Petkov
2013-09-19 14:54     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-20  7:29   ` [PATCH 00/11] EFI runtime services virtual mapping Dave Young
2013-09-20  7:29     ` Dave Young
     [not found]     ` <20130920072904.GA21922-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-20  8:19       ` Dave Young
2013-09-20  8:19         ` Dave Young
     [not found]         ` <20130920081940.GC21922-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-20  9:33           ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-20  9:33             ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-20 10:07             ` Dave Young
2013-09-20  9:05       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-20  9:05         ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]         ` <20130920090544.GA9574-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-20  9:44           ` Matt Fleming
2013-09-20  9:44             ` Matt Fleming
2013-09-20  9:49           ` Matt Fleming
2013-09-20  9:49             ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]             ` <20130920094913.GG4785-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-20 10:02               ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-20 10:02                 ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-20 11:51           ` Dave Young
2013-09-20 11:51             ` Dave Young
2013-09-20 12:29           ` Matt Fleming
2013-09-20 12:29             ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]             ` <20130920122915.GB21381-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-20 14:04               ` Dave Young
2013-09-20 14:04                 ` Dave Young
2013-09-19 14:54 ` [PATCH 10/11] x86, cpa: Map in an arbitrary pgd Borislav Petkov
2013-09-19 14:54 ` [PATCH 11/11] EFI: Runtime services virtual mapping Borislav Petkov
     [not found]   ` <1379602494-26684-12-git-send-email-bp-Gina5bIWoIWzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-21 11:39     ` [PATCH -v2] " Borislav Petkov
2013-09-21 11:39       ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]       ` <20130921113929.GB1587-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-22 12:35         ` Dave Young
2013-09-22 12:35           ` Dave Young
     [not found]           ` <20130922123515.GA7476-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-22 13:37             ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-22 13:37               ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]               ` <20130922133722.GC28718-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-22 14:00                 ` Dave Young
2013-09-22 14:00                   ` Dave Young
     [not found]                   ` <20130922140038.GB7476-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-22 14:31                     ` Dave Young
2013-09-22 14:31                       ` Dave Young
2013-09-22 15:27                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-09-22 15:27                   ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                   ` <1ba7eca6-419c-4181-9927-9ba0927a6abf-2ueSQiBKiTY7tOexoI0I+QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-22 16:38                     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-22 16:38                       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-23  5:45                     ` Dave Young
2013-09-23  5:45                       ` Dave Young
2013-09-24  2:52                     ` Dave Young
2013-09-24  2:52                       ` Dave Young
     [not found]                       ` <20130924025209.GA5561-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-24  3:06                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-09-24  3:06                           ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                           ` <2d27a1bc-eabf-4d45-8303-27ae58511b11-2ueSQiBKiTY7tOexoI0I+QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-24  4:57                             ` Dave Young
2013-09-24  4:57                               ` Dave Young
     [not found]                               ` <20130924045705.GB5561-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-24  4:58                                 ` Dave Young
2013-09-24  4:58                                   ` Dave Young
     [not found]                                   ` <20130924045818.GC5561-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-24  5:23                                     ` Dave Young
2013-09-24  5:23                                       ` Dave Young
2013-09-24  8:57                                       ` Dave Young
2013-09-24  9:43                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-24  9:43                                   ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                                   ` <bd9528a453bce9b52ad4be75dcc0f034.squirrel-Fq0NhQX/+7ild1e1puMNDg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-24 10:01                                     ` Dave Young
2013-09-24 10:01                                       ` Dave Young
2013-09-24 12:45                                     ` Dave Young
2013-09-24 12:45                                       ` Dave Young
2013-10-02 10:04                             ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-02 10:04                               ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                               ` <20131002100426.GB20568-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-02 15:43                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-10-02 15:43                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                   ` <524C3F38.6050507-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-02 17:05                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-02 17:05                                       ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                                       ` <20131002170522.GA20647-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-02 17:32                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-10-02 17:32                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                           ` <524C58A3.4090704-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-02 18:42                                             ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-02 18:42                                               ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                                               ` <20131002184229.GE20568-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-02 18:46                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2013-10-02 18:46                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                                   ` <524C6A14.40905-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-04  9:42                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-04  9:42                                                       ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                                                       ` <20131004094247.GA6796-K5JNixvcfoxupOikMc4+xw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-04 14:43                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-10-04 14:43                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                                           ` <89e0284e-89b5-42ad-8120-128ef1bf0152-2ueSQiBKiTY7tOexoI0I+QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-04 14:50                                                             ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-04 14:50                                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-23  8:45         ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-23  8:45           ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-25  9:24         ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-25  9:24           ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-23  5:47       ` Dave Young
     [not found]         ` <20130923054741.GC7007-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-23  6:29           ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-23  6:29             ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]             ` <20130923062947.GA2527-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-23  7:08               ` Dave Young
2013-09-23  7:08                 ` Dave Young
2013-10-08 16:45 ` [PATCH 00/11] EFI runtime " Borislav Petkov
     [not found]   ` <20131008164551.GB16793-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-08 16:47     ` [PATCH 11/12] efi: Add an efi= kernel command line parameter Borislav Petkov
2013-10-08 16:47       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-28 11:02       ` Matt Fleming
2013-10-28 11:10         ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-08 16:48     ` [PATCH 12/12] EFI: Runtime services virtual mapping Borislav Petkov
2013-10-08 16:48       ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]       ` <20131008164831.GD16793-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-10  8:06         ` Dave Young
2013-10-10  8:06           ` Dave Young
2013-10-10  8:14           ` Dave Young
     [not found]             ` <20131010081434.GB3692-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-10  8:58               ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-10  8:58                 ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                 ` <20131010085827.GA9929-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-10 12:34                   ` Matt Fleming
2013-10-10 12:34                     ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]                     ` <20131010123453.GA12321-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-11  6:24                       ` Dave Young
2013-10-11  6:24                         ` Dave Young
     [not found]                         ` <20131011062437.GA14115-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-11  7:41                           ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-11  7:41                             ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                             ` <20131011074144.GA18719-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-12  7:54                               ` Dave Young
2013-10-12  7:54                                 ` Dave Young
     [not found]                                 ` <20131012075443.GD7550-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-12 10:13                                   ` Matt Fleming
2013-10-12 10:13                                     ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]                                     ` <20131012101308.GI12321-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-12 10:30                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-12 10:30                                         ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                                         ` <20131012103054.GA13739-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-13  3:11                                           ` Dave Young
2013-10-13  3:11                                             ` Dave Young
     [not found]                                             ` <20131013031126.GB1914-4/PLUo9XfK+sDdueE5tM26fLeoKvNuZc@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-13  9:25                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-13  9:25                                                 ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                                                 ` <20131013092521.GA22866-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-14 15:58                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-14 15:58                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                                                     ` <20131014155851.GJ4009-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 12:47                                                       ` Dave Young
2013-10-21 12:47                                                         ` Dave Young
     [not found]                                                         ` <20131021124739.GA4515-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 13:37                                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-21 13:37                                                             ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                                                             ` <20131021133741.GA5716-K5JNixvcfoxupOikMc4+xw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 15:04                                                               ` Dave Young
2013-10-21 15:04                                                                 ` Dave Young
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20131021150426.GB4515-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22 11:18                                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-22 11:18                                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                                                                     ` <20131022111857.GA10660-K5JNixvcfoxupOikMc4+xw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23  2:17                                                                       ` Dave Young
2013-10-23  2:17                                                                         ` Dave Young
     [not found]                                                                         ` <20131023021730.GE4594-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 12:25                                                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-23 12:25                                                                             ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                                                                             ` <20131023122531.GA15848-K5JNixvcfoxupOikMc4+xw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 12:37                                                                               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-10-23 12:37                                                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-10-23 12:51                                                                               ` Dave Young
2013-10-23 12:51                                                                                 ` Dave Young
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <20131023125131.GA5552-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 13:11                                                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-23 13:11                                                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-26 15:50                                                               ` Matt Fleming
2013-10-26 15:50                                                                 ` Matt Fleming
2013-10-13  3:06                                     ` Dave Young
2013-10-11 10:27                           ` Matt Fleming
2013-10-11 10:27                             ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]                             ` <20131011102706.GE12321-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-11 13:42                               ` Dave Young
2013-10-11 13:42                                 ` Dave Young
     [not found]                                 ` <643121905.4545046.1381498954428.JavaMail.root-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-12  2:14                                   ` Dave Young
2013-10-12  2:14                                     ` Dave Young
2013-10-14 15:57                                     ` Peter Jones
2013-10-16  6:27                                       ` Dave Young
2013-10-28 11:22         ` Matt Fleming
2013-10-28 11:22           ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]           ` <20131028112246.GK1982-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-28 16:00             ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-28 16:00               ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-29  6:47         ` Dave Young
2013-10-29  6:47           ` Dave Young
     [not found]           ` <20131029064720.GA16009-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-29  9:40             ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-29  9:40               ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]               ` <20131029094033.GA10972-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-30  9:32                 ` Dave Young
2013-10-30  9:32                   ` Dave Young
     [not found]                   ` <20131030093227.GA5791-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-30 10:45                     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-10-30 10:45                       ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                       ` <20131030104526.GA13290-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-31  7:07                         ` Dave Young
2013-10-31  7:07                           ` Dave Young
2013-10-14 13:04     ` [PATCH 00/11] EFI runtime " Matt Fleming
2013-10-14 13:04       ` Matt Fleming
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-09-24 14:56 [PATCH -v2] EFI: Runtime " Borislav Petkov
2013-09-24 14:56 ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found] ` <e39e1065bddc2afee2cb6eed957e3ba8.squirrel-Fq0NhQX/+7ild1e1puMNDg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25  0:12   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-09-25  0:12     ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]     ` <52422A6A.8080305-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25  2:36       ` Dave Young
2013-09-25  2:36         ` Dave Young
2013-09-25  5:47       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-25  5:47         ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-26  3:12       ` Dave Young
2013-09-26  3:12         ` Dave Young
     [not found]         ` <20130926031242.GA4487-je1gSBvt1TcFLmT5oZ11vB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 20:17           ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-30 20:17             ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]             ` <20130930201730.GD16383-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 20:35               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-09-30 20:35                 ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                 ` <20130930203505.GA6116-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 20:41                   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-30 20:41                     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-30 20:46                     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                       ` <20130930204642.GB6116-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 21:06                         ` Borislav Petkov
2013-09-30 21:06                           ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]                           ` <20130930210646.GF19411-fF5Pk5pvG8Y@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 21:09                             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-09-30 21:09                               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-08  9:18               ` Dave Young
2013-10-08  9:18                 ` Dave Young
2013-09-25  2:31   ` Dave Young
2013-09-25  2:31     ` Dave Young

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