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From: Ryan Mallon <rmallon@gmail.com>
To: George Spelvin <linux@horizon.com>,
	ebiederm@xmission.com, joe@perches.com
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, dan.j.rosenberg@gmail.com,
	eldad@fogrefinery.com, jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com,
	jkosina@suse.cz, keescook@chromium.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v3a] vsprintf: Check real user/group id for %pK
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:19:09 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52578A4D.2000300@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131011044232.11545.qmail@science.horizon.com>

On 11/10/13 15:42, George Spelvin wrote:
> ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) wrote:
>> Sigh.  This is all wrong.  The only correct thing to test is
>> file->f_cred.  Aka the capabilities of the program that opened the
>> file.
>>
>> Which means that the interface to %pK in the case of kptr_restrict is
>> broken as it has no way to be passed the information it needs to make
>> a sensible decision.
> 
> I looked at the code, and pretty painful.  Certainly it's possible to
> include a reference to the file (I was thinking of just the credentials,
> actually) in the seq_file.  But getting that to the vsprintf.c code
> (specifically, the pointer() function) is a PITA.
> 
> I'm willing to accept the currently proposed kludge as a "good enough"
> approximation, as long as we're all agreed that using the credentials
> at open() time would be The Right Thing, and hopefully someone will find
> the round tuitts to implement that in future.
> 
> But in the meantime, "the perfect is the enemey of the good" is worth
> remembering.
> 
> (An alternate implementation I've been thinking about would be to do
> away with %pK, and instead have a "secret_ptr(p, seq->cred)" helper that
> returned p or 0 depending on the credential.)

Yeah, that is probably the best solution. I'll try to put together a
patch series doing this. It will obviously be more involved though, so I
think it is still worth merging the original patch in the interm.

~Ryan

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From: Ryan Mallon <rmallon@gmail.com>
To: George Spelvin <linux@horizon.com>,
	ebiederm@xmission.com, joe@perches.com
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, dan.j.rosenberg@gmail.com,
	eldad@fogrefinery.com, jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com,
	jkosina@suse.cz, keescook@chromium.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3a] vsprintf: Check real user/group id for %pK
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:19:09 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52578A4D.2000300@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131011044232.11545.qmail@science.horizon.com>

On 11/10/13 15:42, George Spelvin wrote:
> ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) wrote:
>> Sigh.  This is all wrong.  The only correct thing to test is
>> file->f_cred.  Aka the capabilities of the program that opened the
>> file.
>>
>> Which means that the interface to %pK in the case of kptr_restrict is
>> broken as it has no way to be passed the information it needs to make
>> a sensible decision.
> 
> I looked at the code, and pretty painful.  Certainly it's possible to
> include a reference to the file (I was thinking of just the credentials,
> actually) in the seq_file.  But getting that to the vsprintf.c code
> (specifically, the pointer() function) is a PITA.
> 
> I'm willing to accept the currently proposed kludge as a "good enough"
> approximation, as long as we're all agreed that using the credentials
> at open() time would be The Right Thing, and hopefully someone will find
> the round tuitts to implement that in future.
> 
> But in the meantime, "the perfect is the enemey of the good" is worth
> remembering.
> 
> (An alternate implementation I've been thinking about would be to do
> away with %pK, and instead have a "secret_ptr(p, seq->cred)" helper that
> returned p or 0 depending on the credential.)

Yeah, that is probably the best solution. I'll try to put together a
patch series doing this. It will obviously be more involved though, so I
think it is still worth merging the original patch in the interm.

~Ryan




  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-11  5:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-09 21:52 [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v3] vsprintf: Check real user/group id for %pK Ryan Mallon
2013-10-09 21:52 ` Ryan Mallon
2013-10-09 22:00 ` [kernel-hardening] " Joe Perches
2013-10-09 22:00   ` Joe Perches
2013-10-09 22:04   ` [kernel-hardening] " Ryan Mallon
2013-10-09 22:04     ` Ryan Mallon
2013-10-09 22:14     ` [kernel-hardening] " Joe Perches
2013-10-09 22:14       ` Joe Perches
2013-10-09 22:25       ` [kernel-hardening] " Ryan Mallon
2013-10-09 22:25         ` Ryan Mallon
2013-10-09 22:33         ` [kernel-hardening] " Joe Perches
2013-10-09 22:33           ` Joe Perches
2013-10-09 22:42           ` [kernel-hardening] " Ryan Mallon
2013-10-09 22:42             ` Ryan Mallon
2013-10-09 23:09             ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v3a] " Joe Perches
2013-10-09 23:09               ` Joe Perches
2013-10-09 23:18               ` [kernel-hardening] " Ryan Mallon
2013-10-09 23:18                 ` Ryan Mallon
2013-10-09 23:21                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Joe Perches
2013-10-09 23:21                   ` Joe Perches
2013-10-11  2:20               ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-11  2:20                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-11  3:19                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ryan Mallon
2013-10-11  3:19                   ` Ryan Mallon
2013-10-11  3:34                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-11  3:34                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-14 10:17                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-14 10:17                     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-14 12:21                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-14 12:21                       ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-14 20:41                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Ryan Mallon
2013-10-14 20:41                       ` Ryan Mallon
2013-10-11  4:42                 ` [kernel-hardening] " George Spelvin
2013-10-11  4:42                   ` George Spelvin
2013-10-11  5:19                   ` Ryan Mallon [this message]
2013-10-11  5:19                     ` Ryan Mallon
2013-10-11  5:29                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Joe Perches
2013-10-11  5:29                       ` Joe Perches
2013-10-11 22:04                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Ryan Mallon
2013-10-11 22:04                     ` Ryan Mallon
2013-10-11 22:37                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-11 22:37                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-14  9:18                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Ryan Mallon
2013-10-14  9:18                         ` Ryan Mallon

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