From: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
To: Laurent Pinchart
<laurent.pinchart-ryLnwIuWjnjg/C1BVhZhaw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Thierry Reding
<thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
Dave Airlie <airlied-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
Laurent Pinchart
<laurent.pinchart+renesas-ryLnwIuWjnjg/C1BVhZhaw@public.gmane.org>,
Rob Herring <rob.herring-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
Pawel Moll <pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
Ian Campbell
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Linux Fbdev development list
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Subject: Re: [RFR 2/2] drm/panel: Add simple panel support
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:06:18 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <526999DA.7080409@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3278905.VOXO7bPE7e@avalon>
On 10/24/2013 12:20 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
>
> On Sunday 20 October 2013 23:07:36 Stephen Warren wrote:
>> On 10/17/2013 12:07 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>>> As I said, anything that really needs a CDF binding to work
>>>> likely isn't "simple" anymore, therefore a separate driver can
>>>> easily be justified.
>>>
>>> The system as a whole would be more complex, but the panel could be
>>> the same. We can't have two drivers for the same piece of hardware
>>> in the DT world, as there will be a single compatible string and no
>>> way to choose between the drivers (unlike the board code world that
>>> could set device names to "foo- encoder-v4l2" or "foo-encoder-drm"
>>> and live happily with that ever after).
>>
>> That's not true. We can certainly define two different compatible
>> values for a piece of HW if we have to. We can easily control whether
>> they are handled by the same or different drivers in the OS.
>
> From an implementation point of view, sure. But from a conceptual point of
> view, that would make the DT bindings pretty Linux-specific, with a
> description of what the operating system should do instead of a description of
> what the hardware looks like. My understanding is that we've tried pretty hard
> in the past not to open that Pandora's box.
>
> The case I'm mostly concerned about would be two different compatibility
> strings to select whether the device should be handled by a KMS or V4L driver.
> I don't think that's a good idea.
I wouldn't think of the two compatible values as selecting different
specific Linux drivers, but rather they simply describe the HW in
different levels of detail. The fact that if we know a certain level of
detail about the HW means that Linux can and does create a KMS driver
rather than a V4L2 driver seems like a detail that's completely hidden
inside the OS.
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From: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
To: Laurent Pinchart
<laurent.pinchart-ryLnwIuWjnjg/C1BVhZhaw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Thierry Reding
<thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
Dave Airlie <airlied-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
Laurent Pinchart
<laurent.pinchart+renesas-ryLnwIuWjnjg/C1BVhZhaw@public.gmane.org>,
Rob Herring <rob.herring-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
Pawel Moll <pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
Ian Campbell
<ijc+devicetree-KcIKpvwj1kUDXYZnReoRVg@public.gmane.org>,
devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Linux Fbdev development list
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Subject: Re: [RFR 2/2] drm/panel: Add simple panel support
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:06:18 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <526999DA.7080409@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3278905.VOXO7bPE7e@avalon>
On 10/24/2013 12:20 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
>
> On Sunday 20 October 2013 23:07:36 Stephen Warren wrote:
>> On 10/17/2013 12:07 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>>> As I said, anything that really needs a CDF binding to work
>>>> likely isn't "simple" anymore, therefore a separate driver can
>>>> easily be justified.
>>>
>>> The system as a whole would be more complex, but the panel could be
>>> the same. We can't have two drivers for the same piece of hardware
>>> in the DT world, as there will be a single compatible string and no
>>> way to choose between the drivers (unlike the board code world that
>>> could set device names to "foo- encoder-v4l2" or "foo-encoder-drm"
>>> and live happily with that ever after).
>>
>> That's not true. We can certainly define two different compatible
>> values for a piece of HW if we have to. We can easily control whether
>> they are handled by the same or different drivers in the OS.
>
> From an implementation point of view, sure. But from a conceptual point of
> view, that would make the DT bindings pretty Linux-specific, with a
> description of what the operating system should do instead of a description of
> what the hardware looks like. My understanding is that we've tried pretty hard
> in the past not to open that Pandora's box.
>
> The case I'm mostly concerned about would be two different compatibility
> strings to select whether the device should be handled by a KMS or V4L driver.
> I don't think that's a good idea.
I wouldn't think of the two compatible values as selecting different
specific Linux drivers, but rather they simply describe the HW in
different levels of detail. The fact that if we know a certain level of
detail about the HW means that Linux can and does create a KMS driver
rather than a V4L2 driver seems like a detail that's completely hidden
inside the OS.
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Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-10-16 18:25 [RFR 0/2] DRM display panel support Thierry Reding
2013-10-16 18:25 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <1381947912-11741-1-git-send-email-treding-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-16 18:25 ` [RFR 1/2] drm: Add " Thierry Reding
2013-10-16 18:25 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-16 18:25 ` [RFR 2/2] drm/panel: Add simple " Thierry Reding
2013-10-16 18:25 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <1381947912-11741-3-git-send-email-treding-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-17 0:47 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-17 0:47 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-17 8:28 ` Dave Airlie
2013-10-17 8:28 ` Dave Airlie
[not found] ` <CAPM=9tzU36cwcM0pH0J_Vgc6UOj5MHdVNDvn3wpGNuihbMqdQQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-17 8:49 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2013-10-17 8:49 ` Tomi Valkeinen
[not found] ` <525FA4B0.8060504-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-17 9:16 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-17 9:16 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131017091614.GC2502-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-17 9:52 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2013-10-17 9:52 ` Tomi Valkeinen
[not found] ` <525FB368.6020003-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-17 10:48 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-17 10:48 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131017104856.GA10993-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-17 11:07 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-17 11:07 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-20 22:07 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-20 22:07 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <52645428.9080607-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 11:20 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-24 11:20 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-24 22:06 ` Stephen Warren [this message]
2013-10-24 22:06 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <526999DA.7080409-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-25 8:13 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-25 8:13 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131025081314.GC19622-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-25 13:47 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-25 13:47 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-25 14:10 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-25 14:10 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131025141029.GD1551-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-25 14:22 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-25 14:22 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-25 11:33 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-25 11:33 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-25 12:29 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-25 12:29 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131025122925.GA24720-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-25 13:49 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-25 13:49 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-25 15:29 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-25 15:29 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-17 11:21 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2013-10-17 11:21 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2013-10-20 22:01 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-20 22:01 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-17 8:53 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-17 8:53 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131017085342.GB2502-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-17 10:22 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2013-10-17 10:22 ` Tomi Valkeinen
[not found] ` <525FBA5D.9000001-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-17 11:05 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-17 11:05 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131017110517.GC10993-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-17 11:15 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-17 11:15 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-17 12:06 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-17 12:06 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131017120646.GE10993-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-17 12:23 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-17 12:23 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-17 12:55 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-17 12:55 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-17 11:50 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2013-10-17 11:50 ` Tomi Valkeinen
[not found] ` <525FCF07.6070006-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-17 12:12 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-17 12:12 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-17 11:02 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-17 11:02 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-17 11:35 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2013-10-17 11:35 ` Tomi Valkeinen
[not found] ` <525FCB95.6070401-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-17 11:51 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-17 11:51 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-17 11:59 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2013-10-17 11:59 ` Tomi Valkeinen
[not found] ` <525FD12D.3000200-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-17 12:17 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-17 12:17 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-17 12:32 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2013-10-17 12:32 ` Tomi Valkeinen
[not found] ` <525FD8DD.3090509-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-20 19:29 ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2013-10-20 19:29 ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2013-10-24 10:40 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-24 10:40 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-24 10:52 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2013-10-24 10:52 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2013-10-24 10:52 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2013-10-25 10:54 ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2013-10-25 10:54 ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2013-10-17 11:41 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-17 11:41 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131017114139.GD10993-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-17 12:14 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-17 12:14 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-17 12:46 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-17 12:46 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131017124619.GG10993-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 11:05 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-24 11:05 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-24 11:48 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 11:48 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131024114823.GC11296-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-25 11:27 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-25 11:27 ` Laurent Pinchart
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