From: Ric Wheeler <ricwheeler@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, Ben Myers <bpm@sgi.com>
Cc: elder@kernel.org, Mark Tinguely <tinguely@sgi.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
xfs@oss.sgi.com, Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: XFS leadership and a new co-maintainer candidate
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 15:32:33 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <527D4A61.8020202@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131108193424.GA11052@infradead.org>
On 11/08/2013 02:34 PM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 12:03:37PM -0600, Ben Myers wrote:
>> Mark is replacing Alex as my backup because Alex is really busy at
>> Linaro and asked to be taken off awhile ago. The holiday season is
>> coming up and I fully intend to go off my meds, turn in to Fonzy the
>> bear, and eat my hat. I need someone to watch the shop while I'm off
>> exploring on Mars. I trust Mark to do that because he is totally
>> awesome.
>
> Doing this as an unilateral decisions is not something that will win you
> a fan base.
>
> While we never had anything reassembling a democracy in Linux Kernel
> development making decisions without even contacting the major
> contributor is wrong, twice so if the maintainer is a relatively minor
> contributor to start with.
>
> Just because it recent came up elsewhere I'd like to recite the
> definition from Trond here again:
>
> http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/ksummit-2012-discuss/2012-June/000066.html
>
> By many of the creative roles enlisted there it's clear that Dave should
> be the maintainer. He's been the main contributor and chief architect
> for XFS for many year, while the maintainers came and went at the mercy
> of SGI. This is not meant to bad mouth either of you as I think you're
> doing a reasonably good job compared to other maintainers, but at the
> same time the direction is set by other people that have a much longer
> involvement with the project, and having them officially in control
> would help us forward a lot. It would also avoid having to spend
> considerable resources to train every new generation of SGI maintainer.
>
> Coming to and end I would like to maintain Dave Chinner as the primary
> XFS maintainer for all the work he has done as biggest contributor and
> architect of XFS since longer than I can remember, and I would love to
> retain Ben Myers as a co-maintainer for all the good work he has done
> maintaining and reviewing patches since November 2011.
This sounds like exactly the right thing to do to me as well,
Ric
>
> I would also like to use this post as a public venue to condemn the
> unilateral smokey backroom decisions about XFS maintainership that
> SGI is trying to enforce on the community.
>
>
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From: Ric Wheeler <ricwheeler@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, Ben Myers <bpm@sgi.com>
Cc: elder@kernel.org, Mark Tinguely <tinguely@sgi.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
xfs@oss.sgi.com, Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: XFS leadership and a new co-maintainer candidate
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 15:32:33 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <527D4A61.8020202@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131108193424.GA11052@infradead.org>
On 11/08/2013 02:34 PM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 12:03:37PM -0600, Ben Myers wrote:
>> Mark is replacing Alex as my backup because Alex is really busy at
>> Linaro and asked to be taken off awhile ago. The holiday season is
>> coming up and I fully intend to go off my meds, turn in to Fonzy the
>> bear, and eat my hat. I need someone to watch the shop while I'm off
>> exploring on Mars. I trust Mark to do that because he is totally
>> awesome.
>
> Doing this as an unilateral decisions is not something that will win you
> a fan base.
>
> While we never had anything reassembling a democracy in Linux Kernel
> development making decisions without even contacting the major
> contributor is wrong, twice so if the maintainer is a relatively minor
> contributor to start with.
>
> Just because it recent came up elsewhere I'd like to recite the
> definition from Trond here again:
>
> http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/ksummit-2012-discuss/2012-June/000066.html
>
> By many of the creative roles enlisted there it's clear that Dave should
> be the maintainer. He's been the main contributor and chief architect
> for XFS for many year, while the maintainers came and went at the mercy
> of SGI. This is not meant to bad mouth either of you as I think you're
> doing a reasonably good job compared to other maintainers, but at the
> same time the direction is set by other people that have a much longer
> involvement with the project, and having them officially in control
> would help us forward a lot. It would also avoid having to spend
> considerable resources to train every new generation of SGI maintainer.
>
> Coming to and end I would like to maintain Dave Chinner as the primary
> XFS maintainer for all the work he has done as biggest contributor and
> architect of XFS since longer than I can remember, and I would love to
> retain Ben Myers as a co-maintainer for all the good work he has done
> maintaining and reviewing patches since November 2011.
This sounds like exactly the right thing to do to me as well,
Ric
>
> I would also like to use this post as a public venue to condemn the
> unilateral smokey backroom decisions about XFS maintainership that
> SGI is trying to enforce on the community.
>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-11-08 20:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-11-07 22:02 xfs: update maintainers file Ben Myers
2013-11-07 22:08 ` Mark Tinguely
2013-11-07 22:32 ` [PATCH v2] " Ben Myers
2013-11-07 23:18 ` Alex Elder
2013-11-08 2:23 ` xfs: " Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 2:30 ` Zhi Yong Wu
2013-11-08 5:24 ` Jeff Liu
2013-11-08 11:03 ` XFS leadership and a new co-maintainer candidate Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 11:03 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 18:03 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-08 18:03 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-08 18:09 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 18:09 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 19:45 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-08 19:45 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-08 19:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-08 19:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-08 20:32 ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2013-11-08 20:32 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 20:46 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-08 20:46 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-08 20:50 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 20:50 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 22:03 ` [PATCH] update xfs maintainers Ben Myers
2013-11-08 22:03 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-08 22:07 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 22:07 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 22:17 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-08 22:17 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-08 23:32 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-08 23:32 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-11-09 23:17 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-09 23:17 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-08 22:59 ` Zhi Yong Wu
2013-11-08 22:59 ` Zhi Yong Wu
2013-11-08 23:44 ` NeilBrown
2013-11-08 23:44 ` NeilBrown
2013-11-09 23:51 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-09 23:51 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-10 0:30 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-10 0:30 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-10 3:13 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-10 3:13 ` Stan Hoeppner
2013-11-10 23:32 ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-10 23:32 ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-10 23:12 ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-10 23:12 ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-11 3:49 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-11 3:49 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-14 6:22 ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-14 6:22 ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-15 0:33 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-15 0:33 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-14 18:24 ` Alex Elder
2013-11-14 18:25 ` Alex Elder
2013-11-14 18:25 ` Alex Elder
2013-11-12 17:32 ` XFS leadership and a new co-maintainer candidate Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-12 17:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-12 19:30 ` Ben Myers
2013-11-12 19:30 ` Ben Myers
[not found] <mailman.2046.1383942763.4413.xfs@oss.sgi.com>
2013-11-08 21:29 ` Phil White
2013-11-11 11:34 ` Carlos Maiolino
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