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From: sebastian.hesselbarth@gmail.com (Sebastian Hesselbarth)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH RFC v1 0/7] net: phy: Ethernet PHY powerdown optimization
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 21:54:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <528D217B.5020500@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131120.153642.2045230991917379052.davem@davemloft.net>

On 11/20/2013 09:36 PM, David Miller wrote:
> From: Sebastian Hesselbarth <sebastian.hesselbarth@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 21:21:46 +0100
>
>> Ethernet PHYs consume a significant amount of power when link is detected.
>> Especially, for embedded systems it can be easily 20-40% of total system
>> power. Now, currently most likely all ethernet drivers leave PHYs powered
>> on, even if the device is taken down. Also, some stupid boot loaders power
>> on all PHYs available.
>>
>> This RFC deals with saving power consumed by ethernet PHYs, that have no
>> corresponding ethernet device driver or are attached to ethernet devices
>> which are taken down by user request, i.e. ifconfig ethN down. Ports with
>> no link, i.e. cable removed, are already quite good at power saving due to
>> PHY internal link detection.
>
> The idea is sound and the goal is of course valuable, but it brings up
> a chronically reoccurring issue as of late.
>
> You cannot reset the PHY or take it down without somehow retaining the
> settings the PHY had when you bring it back up.

Right, as far as I understand BMCR powerdown, i.e. what is called in
genphy_suspend/resume, powers down the PHY but _does_ retain PHY config.
It is not resetting the device.

I haven't checked a lot of datasheets but [1] notes that "registers will
preserve their configuration". Even if we have PHYs that do not preserve
it, they should have a device specific callback for suspend/resume that
takes care of preserving it.

[1] http://www.ti.com/lit/an/snoa463a/snoa463a.pdf

> If I ifdown/ifup a device, my ethtool link configuration better be
> retained.
>
> This means the PHY layer must have a way to reprogram the device when
> it is brought back up, with whatever settings the software state
> things are there.
>

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Sebastian Hesselbarth <sebastian.hesselbarth@gmail.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v1 0/7] net: phy: Ethernet PHY powerdown optimization
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 21:54:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <528D217B.5020500@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131120.153642.2045230991917379052.davem@davemloft.net>

On 11/20/2013 09:36 PM, David Miller wrote:
> From: Sebastian Hesselbarth <sebastian.hesselbarth@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 21:21:46 +0100
>
>> Ethernet PHYs consume a significant amount of power when link is detected.
>> Especially, for embedded systems it can be easily 20-40% of total system
>> power. Now, currently most likely all ethernet drivers leave PHYs powered
>> on, even if the device is taken down. Also, some stupid boot loaders power
>> on all PHYs available.
>>
>> This RFC deals with saving power consumed by ethernet PHYs, that have no
>> corresponding ethernet device driver or are attached to ethernet devices
>> which are taken down by user request, i.e. ifconfig ethN down. Ports with
>> no link, i.e. cable removed, are already quite good at power saving due to
>> PHY internal link detection.
>
> The idea is sound and the goal is of course valuable, but it brings up
> a chronically reoccurring issue as of late.
>
> You cannot reset the PHY or take it down without somehow retaining the
> settings the PHY had when you bring it back up.

Right, as far as I understand BMCR powerdown, i.e. what is called in
genphy_suspend/resume, powers down the PHY but _does_ retain PHY config.
It is not resetting the device.

I haven't checked a lot of datasheets but [1] notes that "registers will
preserve their configuration". Even if we have PHYs that do not preserve
it, they should have a device specific callback for suspend/resume that
takes care of preserving it.

[1] http://www.ti.com/lit/an/snoa463a/snoa463a.pdf

> If I ifdown/ifup a device, my ethtool link configuration better be
> retained.
>
> This means the PHY layer must have a way to reprogram the device when
> it is brought back up, with whatever settings the software state
> things are there.
>


  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-20 20:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-20 20:21 [PATCH RFC v1 0/7] net: phy: Ethernet PHY powerdown optimization Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:21 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:21 ` [PATCH RFC v1 1/7] net: phy: marvell: provide genphy suspend/resume Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:21   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:21   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:21 ` [PATCH RFC v1 2/7] net: phy: provide phy_resume/phy_suspend helpers Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:21   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:36   ` Florian Fainelli
2013-11-20 20:36     ` Florian Fainelli
2013-11-20 20:21 ` [PATCH RFC v1 3/7] net: phy: resume/suspend PHYs on attach/detach Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:21   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:21 ` [PATCH RFC v1 4/7] net: phy: suspend unused PHYs on mdio_bus in late_initcall Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:21   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:58   ` Florian Fainelli
2013-11-20 20:58     ` Florian Fainelli
2013-11-20 21:05     ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 21:05       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 22:36       ` Florian Fainelli
2013-11-20 22:36         ` Florian Fainelli
2013-11-20 20:21 ` [PATCH RFC v1 5/7] net: mv643xx_eth: resume/suspend PHY on port start/stop Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:21   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:21 ` [PATCH RFC v1 6/7] net: mvneta: " Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:21   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:21 ` [PATCH RFC v1 7/7] net: cpsw: " Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:21   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:48   ` Florian Fainelli
2013-11-20 20:48     ` Florian Fainelli
2013-11-20 20:57     ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:57       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-21  8:35   ` Mugunthan V N
2013-11-21  8:35     ` Mugunthan V N
2013-11-21  8:35     ` Mugunthan V N
2013-11-21  8:41     ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-21  8:41       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 20:36 ` [PATCH RFC v1 0/7] net: phy: Ethernet PHY powerdown optimization David Miller
2013-11-20 20:36   ` David Miller
2013-11-20 20:54   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth [this message]
2013-11-20 20:54     ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 21:10     ` Florian Fainelli
2013-11-20 21:10       ` Florian Fainelli
2013-11-20 21:20       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 21:20         ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-11-20 22:15     ` David Miller
2013-11-20 22:15       ` David Miller
2013-12-04 15:44 ` [PATCH RFCv2 0/6] " Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-04 15:44   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-04 15:44   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-05  7:57   ` Mugunthan V N
2013-12-05  7:57     ` Mugunthan V N
2013-12-06  0:16     ` Florian Fainelli
2013-12-06  0:16       ` Florian Fainelli
2013-12-08 14:40   ` [PATCH v1 " Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-08 14:40     ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-08 14:40     ` [PATCH v1 1/6] net: mv643xx_eth: properly start/stop phy device Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-08 14:40       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-11  2:52       ` David Miller
2013-12-11  2:52         ` David Miller
2013-12-11  2:56         ` David Miller
2013-12-11  2:56           ` David Miller
2013-12-11  2:56           ` David Miller
2013-12-11  7:06           ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-11  7:06             ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-11  7:06             ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-11 17:28             ` David Miller
2013-12-11 17:28               ` David Miller
2013-12-11 17:28               ` David Miller
2013-12-08 14:40     ` [PATCH v1 2/6] net: phy: marvell: provide genphy suspend/resume Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-08 14:40       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-08 14:40     ` [PATCH v1 3/6] net: phy: provide phy_resume/phy_suspend helpers Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-08 14:40       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-08 14:40     ` [PATCH v1 4/6] net: phy: resume/suspend PHYs on attach/detach Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-08 14:40       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-08 14:40     ` [PATCH v1 5/6] net: phy: suspend unused PHYs on mdio_bus in late_initcall Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-08 14:40       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-08 14:40     ` [PATCH v1 6/6] net: phy: suspend phydev when going to HALTED Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-08 14:40       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-13  9:20     ` [PATCH v2 0/5] net: phy: Ethernet PHY powerdown optimization Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-13  9:20       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-17 19:43       ` David Miller
2013-12-17 19:43         ` David Miller
2014-02-04 19:38         ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2014-02-04 19:38           ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2014-02-04 22:51           ` Florian Fainelli
2014-02-04 22:51             ` Florian Fainelli
2014-02-06 16:57           ` Ezequiel Garcia
2014-02-06 16:57             ` Ezequiel Garcia
2013-12-13  9:20     ` [PATCH v2 1/5] net: mv643xx_eth: properly start/stop phy device Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-13  9:20       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-13  9:20     ` [PATCH v2 2/5] net: phy: marvell: provide genphy suspend/resume Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-13  9:20       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-13  9:20     ` [PATCH v2 3/5] net: phy: provide phy_resume/phy_suspend helpers Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-13  9:20       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-13  9:20     ` [PATCH v2 4/5] net: phy: resume/suspend PHYs on attach/detach Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-13  9:20       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-13  9:20       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-13  9:20     ` [PATCH v2 5/5] net: phy: suspend phydev when going to HALTED Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-13  9:20       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-04 15:44 ` [PATCH RFCv2 1/6] net: mv643xx_eth: properly start/stop phy device Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-04 15:44   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-04 15:44 ` [PATCH RFCv2 2/6] net: phy: marvell: provide genphy suspend/resume Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-04 15:44   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-04 15:44 ` [PATCH RFCv2 3/6] net: phy: provide phy_resume/phy_suspend helpers Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-04 15:44   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-04 15:44   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-06  0:08   ` Florian Fainelli
2013-12-06  0:08     ` Florian Fainelli
2013-12-04 15:44 ` [PATCH RFCv2 4/6] net: phy: resume/suspend PHYs on attach/detach Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-04 15:44   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-04 15:44 ` [PATCH RFCv2 5/6] net: phy: suspend unused PHYs on mdio_bus in late_initcall Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-04 15:44   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-04 21:05   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-12-04 21:05     ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-12-06  0:02   ` Florian Fainelli
2013-12-06  0:02     ` Florian Fainelli
2013-12-04 15:44 ` [PATCH RFCv2 6/6] net: phy: suspend phydev when going to HALTED Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-12-04 15:44   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth

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