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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org>
Cc: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	kexec <kexec@lists.infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>, Torsten Duwe <duwe@lst.de>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/6] kexec: A new system call, kexec_file_load, for in kernel kexec
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 20:22:48 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52CB8118.30601@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+5PVA60FLTXZxf1hVuzD=_vUdg10Y7sYG9iZCs4voxurV_t0g@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/06/2014 01:33 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:56 PM, H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
>> On 01/02/2014 12:39 PM, Vivek Goyal wrote:
>>>
>>> If secureboot is enabled, it enforces module signature verification. I
>>> think similar will happen for kexec too. How would kernel know that on
>>> a secureboot platform fd original verification will happen and it is
>>> sufficient.
>>>
>>> I personally want to support bzImage as well (apart from ELF) because
>>> distributions has been shipping bzImage for a long time and I don't
>>> want to enforce a change there because of secureboot. It is not necessary.
>>> Right now I am thinking more about storing detached bzImage signatures
>>> and passing those signatures to kexec system call.
>>>
>>
>> Since the secureboot scenario probably means people will be signing
>> those kernels, and those kernels are going to be EFI images, that in
>> order to have "one kernel, one signature" there will be a desire to
>> support signed PE images.  Yes, PE is ugly but it shouldn't be too bad.
>>  However, it is probably one of those things that can be dealt with one
>> bit at a time.
> 
> David Howells posted patches to support signed PE binaries early last
> year.  They were rejected rather quickly.
> 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/2/21/196
> 
> That was for loading keys via PE binaries, but the parser is needed
> either way.  Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're suggesting?
> 

I know.  I think the kexec is a better motivation, though.

	-hpa



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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org>
Cc: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Torsten Duwe <duwe@lst.de>, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kexec <kexec@lists.infradead.org>,
	Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/6] kexec: A new system call, kexec_file_load, for in kernel kexec
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 20:22:48 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52CB8118.30601@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+5PVA60FLTXZxf1hVuzD=_vUdg10Y7sYG9iZCs4voxurV_t0g@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/06/2014 01:33 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:56 PM, H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
>> On 01/02/2014 12:39 PM, Vivek Goyal wrote:
>>>
>>> If secureboot is enabled, it enforces module signature verification. I
>>> think similar will happen for kexec too. How would kernel know that on
>>> a secureboot platform fd original verification will happen and it is
>>> sufficient.
>>>
>>> I personally want to support bzImage as well (apart from ELF) because
>>> distributions has been shipping bzImage for a long time and I don't
>>> want to enforce a change there because of secureboot. It is not necessary.
>>> Right now I am thinking more about storing detached bzImage signatures
>>> and passing those signatures to kexec system call.
>>>
>>
>> Since the secureboot scenario probably means people will be signing
>> those kernels, and those kernels are going to be EFI images, that in
>> order to have "one kernel, one signature" there will be a desire to
>> support signed PE images.  Yes, PE is ugly but it shouldn't be too bad.
>>  However, it is probably one of those things that can be dealt with one
>> bit at a time.
> 
> David Howells posted patches to support signed PE binaries early last
> year.  They were rejected rather quickly.
> 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/2/21/196
> 
> That was for loading keys via PE binaries, but the parser is needed
> either way.  Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're suggesting?
> 

I know.  I think the kexec is a better motivation, though.

	-hpa



  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-07  4:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 180+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-20 17:50 [PATCH 0/6] kexec: A new system call to allow in kernel loading Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 1/6] kexec: Export vmcoreinfo note size properly Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 18:59   ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 18:59     ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:08     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:08       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 2/6] kexec: Move segment verification code in a separate function Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 3/6] resource: Provide new functions to walk through resources Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 4/6] kexec: A new system call, kexec_file_load, for in kernel kexec Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:03   ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:03     ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:06     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 19:06       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 19:13       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:13         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:19         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 19:19           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 19:24           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:24             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 18:57           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 18:57             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-23  3:39             ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-23  3:39               ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-25 16:39               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-25 16:39                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-26 12:23                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-26 12:23                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-26 14:27                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-26 14:27                     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-19 12:54                     ` Torsten Duwe
2013-12-19 12:54                       ` Torsten Duwe
2013-12-20 14:19                       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-20 14:19                         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-20 23:11                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-12-20 23:11                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-12-20 23:20                           ` Kees Cook
2013-12-20 23:20                             ` Kees Cook
2013-12-21 11:38                             ` Torsten Duwe
2013-12-21 11:38                               ` Torsten Duwe
2014-01-02 20:39                             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-01-02 20:39                               ` Vivek Goyal
2014-01-02 20:56                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-01-02 20:56                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-01-06 21:33                                 ` Josh Boyer
2014-01-06 21:33                                   ` Josh Boyer
2014-01-07  4:22                                   ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2014-01-07  4:22                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-20 23:20                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-20 23:20                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-21  1:32                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-12-21  1:32                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-12-21  3:32                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-21  3:32                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-21 12:15                                 ` Torsten Duwe
2013-12-21 12:15                                   ` Torsten Duwe
2013-11-21 19:16     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:16       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22  1:03     ` Kees Cook
2013-11-22  1:03       ` Kees Cook
2013-11-22  2:13       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22  2:13         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 20:42   ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 20:42     ` Jiri Kosina
2014-01-17 19:17     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-01-17 19:17       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-29  3:10   ` Baoquan He
2013-11-29  3:10     ` Baoquan He
2013-12-02 15:27     ` WANG Chao
2013-12-02 15:27       ` WANG Chao
2013-12-02 15:44     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-02 15:44       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04  1:35       ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04  1:35         ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:19         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04 17:19           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04  1:56   ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04  1:56     ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04  8:19     ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04  8:19       ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:32     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04 17:32       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 5/6] kexec-bzImage: Support for loading bzImage using 64bit entry Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:07   ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:07     ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:21     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:21       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 15:24       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-22 15:24         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-28 11:35   ` Baoquan He
2013-11-28 11:35     ` Baoquan He
2013-12-02 15:36     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-02 15:36       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50 ` [PATCH 6/6] kexec: Support for Kexec on panic using new system call Vivek Goyal
2013-11-20 17:50   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-28 11:28   ` Baoquan He
2013-11-28 11:28     ` Baoquan He
2013-12-02 15:30     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-02 15:30       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04  1:51       ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04  1:51         ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:20         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04 17:20           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04  1:41   ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04  1:41     ` Baoquan He
2013-12-04 17:19     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04 17:19       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 18:58 ` [PATCH 0/6] kexec: A new system call to allow in kernel loading Greg KH
2013-11-21 18:58   ` Greg KH
2013-11-21 19:07   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:07     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:46     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:46       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:06 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-21 19:06   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-21 19:14   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 19:14     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-21 23:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-21 23:07   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-22  1:28   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-22  1:28     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-22  2:35     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22  2:35       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22  2:40       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-22  2:40         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-11-22  1:55   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22  1:55     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22  9:09     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-22  9:09       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-22 13:30       ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 13:30         ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 13:46         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 13:46           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 13:50           ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 13:50             ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 15:33             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 15:33               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 17:45               ` Kees Cook
2013-11-22 17:45                 ` Kees Cook
2013-11-22 13:43       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 13:43         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 15:25         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-22 15:25           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-11-22 15:33           ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 15:33             ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 15:57             ` Eric Paris
2013-11-22 15:57               ` Eric Paris
2013-11-22 16:04               ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 16:04                 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-11-22 16:08                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 16:08                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 13:34     ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-22 13:34       ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-22 14:19       ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 14:19         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22 19:48         ` Greg KH
2013-11-22 19:48           ` Greg KH
2013-11-23  3:23         ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-23  3:23           ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-12-04 19:34           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-04 19:34             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-05  4:10             ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-12-05  4:10               ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-25 10:04       ` Michael Holzheu
2013-11-25 10:04         ` Michael Holzheu
2013-11-25 15:36         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-25 15:36           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-25 16:15           ` Michael Holzheu
2013-11-25 16:15             ` Michael Holzheu
2013-11-22  0:55 ` HATAYAMA Daisuke
2013-11-22  0:55   ` HATAYAMA Daisuke
2013-11-22  2:03   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-11-22  2:03     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-12-03 13:23 ` Baoquan He
2013-12-03 13:23   ` Baoquan He

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