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From: Vlad Yasevich <vyasevic@redhat.com>
To: Toshiaki Makita <toshiaki.makita1@gmail.com>
Cc: mst@redhat.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org, jhs@mojatatu.com,
	john.r.fastabend@intel.com, shemminger@vyatta.com
Subject: Re: [Bridge] [PATCH 6/7] bridge: Manage promisc mode when vlans are configured on top of a bridge
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 07:12:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <531471B0.1050705@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1393685845.1753.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On 03/01/2014 09:57 AM, Toshiaki Makita wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-02-28 at 14:34 -0500, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>> On 02/27/2014 08:17 AM, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>>> On 02/27/2014 07:06 AM, Toshiaki Makita wrote:
>>>> (2014/02/27 0:18), Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>>>>> If the user configures vlan interfaces on top of the bridge and the bridge
>>>>> doesn't have vlan filtering enabled, we have to place all the ports in
>>>>> promsic mode so that we can correctly receive tagged frames.
>>>>> When vlan filtering is enabled, the vlan configuration will be provided
>>>>> via filtering interface.
>>>>> When the vlan filtering is toggled, we also have mange promiscuity.
>>>>
>>>> If we disable vlan_filtering and no vlan interface is configured on the
>>>> bridge, we cannot forward any tagged traffic?
>>>
>>> We can't receive tagged traffic, so we turn promisc on.
>>>
>>>> If we want to forward frames from one port to another port (not from/to
>>>> bridge device), we have to add vlan interface or set promisc mode, right?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hm..  Good point.  This isn't enough to address the scenario that Patch7
>>> tries to solve.  I'll need to think about that.  This is partially why
>>> I split functionality in Patch7 out.  It made things more difficult.
>>>
>>
>> I now understood what you were referring to above a bit better.
>> This patch solves just part of the problem.  The other part is what
>> happens when someone behind the bridge is using vlan tagging without
>> the bridge being aware of it and expects the bridge to forward such traffic.
>> So, if we ever want to disable promiscuous mode on the bridge ports, we
>> either need to depend on lan filtering being configured in the bridge
>> or have the ability to disable vlan filtering in the driver.
>>
>> Neither is really a good thing.  I'll need to think about this.
> 
> Yes, that is what I was worried about.
> As a bridge has no way to know which vid will be used in incoming
> frame's vlan tag, we maybe have to call vlan_vid_add() for all vids when
> we disable promiscuous on a port?  If we had an API to simply disable
> vlan filtering of a NIC, it could be better...

That's what I am looking at now.  Some nics appear to handle this better
then others.

-vlad

> 
> Thanks,
> Toshiaki Makita
> 


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From: Vlad Yasevich <vyasevic@redhat.com>
To: Toshiaki Makita <toshiaki.makita1@gmail.com>
Cc: mst@redhat.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org, jhs@mojatatu.com,
	john.r.fastabend@intel.com, shemminger@vyatta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/7] bridge: Manage promisc mode when vlans are configured on top of a bridge
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 07:12:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <531471B0.1050705@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1393685845.1753.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On 03/01/2014 09:57 AM, Toshiaki Makita wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-02-28 at 14:34 -0500, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>> On 02/27/2014 08:17 AM, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>>> On 02/27/2014 07:06 AM, Toshiaki Makita wrote:
>>>> (2014/02/27 0:18), Vlad Yasevich wrote:
>>>>> If the user configures vlan interfaces on top of the bridge and the bridge
>>>>> doesn't have vlan filtering enabled, we have to place all the ports in
>>>>> promsic mode so that we can correctly receive tagged frames.
>>>>> When vlan filtering is enabled, the vlan configuration will be provided
>>>>> via filtering interface.
>>>>> When the vlan filtering is toggled, we also have mange promiscuity.
>>>>
>>>> If we disable vlan_filtering and no vlan interface is configured on the
>>>> bridge, we cannot forward any tagged traffic?
>>>
>>> We can't receive tagged traffic, so we turn promisc on.
>>>
>>>> If we want to forward frames from one port to another port (not from/to
>>>> bridge device), we have to add vlan interface or set promisc mode, right?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hm..  Good point.  This isn't enough to address the scenario that Patch7
>>> tries to solve.  I'll need to think about that.  This is partially why
>>> I split functionality in Patch7 out.  It made things more difficult.
>>>
>>
>> I now understood what you were referring to above a bit better.
>> This patch solves just part of the problem.  The other part is what
>> happens when someone behind the bridge is using vlan tagging without
>> the bridge being aware of it and expects the bridge to forward such traffic.
>> So, if we ever want to disable promiscuous mode on the bridge ports, we
>> either need to depend on lan filtering being configured in the bridge
>> or have the ability to disable vlan filtering in the driver.
>>
>> Neither is really a good thing.  I'll need to think about this.
> 
> Yes, that is what I was worried about.
> As a bridge has no way to know which vid will be used in incoming
> frame's vlan tag, we maybe have to call vlan_vid_add() for all vids when
> we disable promiscuous on a port?  If we had an API to simply disable
> vlan filtering of a NIC, it could be better...

That's what I am looking at now.  Some nics appear to handle this better
then others.

-vlad

> 
> Thanks,
> Toshiaki Makita
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2014-03-03 12:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-26 15:18 [Bridge] [PATCH RFC 0/7] Non-promisc bidge ports support Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:18 ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:18 ` [Bridge] [PATCH 1/7] bridge: Turn flag change macro into a function Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:18   ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:29   ` [Bridge] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 15:29     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 15:36     ` [Bridge] " Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:36       ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:18 ` [Bridge] [PATCH 2/7] bridge: Keep track of ports capable of flooding Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:18   ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:41   ` [Bridge] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 15:41     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 15:41     ` [Bridge] " Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:41       ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:53       ` [Bridge] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 15:53         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-27 11:59   ` [Bridge] " Toshiaki Makita
2014-02-27 11:59     ` Toshiaki Makita
2014-02-27 12:54     ` [Bridge] " Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-27 12:54       ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:18 ` [Bridge] [PATCH 3/7] bridge: Add addresses from static fdbs to bridge address list Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:18   ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:46   ` [Bridge] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 15:46     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 15:43     ` [Bridge] " Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:43       ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 16:23   ` [Bridge] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 16:23     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 17:25     ` [Bridge] " Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 17:25       ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 17:33       ` [Bridge] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 17:33         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 16:57   ` [Bridge] " Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-26 16:57     ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-26 17:35     ` [Bridge] " Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 17:35       ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-27  7:53       ` [Bridge] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-27  7:53         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-27 13:08         ` [Bridge] " Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-27 13:08           ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-27 13:38           ` [Bridge] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-27 13:38             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 15:18 ` [Bridge] [PATCH 4/7] bridge: Automatically manage port promiscuous mode Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:18   ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:51   ` [Bridge] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 15:51     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 16:02     ` [Bridge] " Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 16:02       ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 16:58   ` [Bridge] " Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-26 16:58     ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-02-26 17:32     ` [Bridge] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 17:32       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 15:18 ` [Bridge] [PATCH 5/7] bridge: Correctly manage promiscuity when user requested it Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:18   ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:18 ` [Bridge] [PATCH 6/7] bridge: Manage promisc mode when vlans are configured on top of a bridge Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:18   ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 16:00   ` [Bridge] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 16:00     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 16:05     ` [Bridge] " Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 16:05       ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 16:25       ` [Bridge] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 16:25         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-27 12:06   ` [Bridge] " Toshiaki Makita
2014-02-27 12:06     ` Toshiaki Makita
2014-02-27 13:17     ` [Bridge] " Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-27 13:17       ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-28 19:34       ` [Bridge] " Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-28 19:34         ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-03-01 14:57         ` [Bridge] " Toshiaki Makita
2014-03-01 14:57           ` Toshiaki Makita
2014-03-03 12:12           ` Vlad Yasevich [this message]
2014-03-03 12:12             ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:18 ` [Bridge] [PATCH 7/7] bridge: Support promisc management when all ports are non-flooding Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:18   ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-26 15:57   ` [Bridge] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 15:57     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-27  3:46     ` [Bridge] " Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-27  3:46       ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-27  7:29       ` [Bridge] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-27  7:29         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 16:01   ` [Bridge] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 16:01     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 16:34 ` [Bridge] [PATCH RFC 0/7] Non-promisc bidge ports support Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 16:34   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-26 23:59 ` [Bridge] " Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-02-26 23:59   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-02-27  3:37   ` [Bridge] " Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-27  3:37     ` Vlad Yasevich
2014-02-27  8:54     ` [Bridge] " Amidu Sila
2014-02-27  7:20   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-27  7:20     ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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