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From: pbonzini@redhat.com (Paolo Bonzini)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC] ARM VM System Sepcification
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:41:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53300BF4.2000309@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1395651814.4052.6.camel@dagon.hellion.org.uk>

Il 24/03/2014 10:03, Ian Campbell ha scritto:
>> > That isn't actually my position. I absolutely think that VMs /should/
>> > implement persistent variables, but the variables are a property of a VM
>> > instance, not of the disk image. As far as this spec is concerned, I
>> > think portable disk images should operate under the assumption of an
>> > empty set of variables, and therefore follow the removable disk
>> > requirements in the UEFI spec.
> Just to be sure I understand. You position is:
>      1. A VM image downloaded from www.distro.org should neither contain
>         nor expect any persistent variables to be present.
>      2. After a VM image is instantiated into a specific VM instance and
>         booted then it is at liberty to set persistent variables (either
>         on first boot or as part of an upgrade) and the VM should ensure
>         that those variables a retained over reboot for that specific
>         instance.
>      3. If a VM does not preserve those variables then the instance
>         should have some sane functional fallback (implied by the
>         removable disk requirements from the UEFI spec).
>
> Is that right? I'm pretty sure you meant (1), reasonably sure you meant
> (2) and not at all sure you meant (3) ;-)

At least I do. :)

Paolo

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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>
Cc: Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>,
	cross-distro@lists.linaro.org,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michael Casadevall <Michael.casadevall@linaro.org>,
	Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Jordan Justen <jljusten@gmail.com>,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring@linaro.org>,
	xen-devel@lists.xen.org,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@citrix.com>,
	"marc.zyngier@arm.com" <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
	Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>,
	"kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu" <kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] ARM VM System Sepcification
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:41:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53300BF4.2000309@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1395651814.4052.6.camel@dagon.hellion.org.uk>

Il 24/03/2014 10:03, Ian Campbell ha scritto:
>> > That isn't actually my position. I absolutely think that VMs /should/
>> > implement persistent variables, but the variables are a property of a VM
>> > instance, not of the disk image. As far as this spec is concerned, I
>> > think portable disk images should operate under the assumption of an
>> > empty set of variables, and therefore follow the removable disk
>> > requirements in the UEFI spec.
> Just to be sure I understand. You position is:
>      1. A VM image downloaded from www.distro.org should neither contain
>         nor expect any persistent variables to be present.
>      2. After a VM image is instantiated into a specific VM instance and
>         booted then it is at liberty to set persistent variables (either
>         on first boot or as part of an upgrade) and the VM should ensure
>         that those variables a retained over reboot for that specific
>         instance.
>      3. If a VM does not preserve those variables then the instance
>         should have some sane functional fallback (implied by the
>         removable disk requirements from the UEFI spec).
>
> Is that right? I'm pretty sure you meant (1), reasonably sure you meant
> (2) and not at all sure you meant (3) ;-)

At least I do. :)

Paolo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-03-24 10:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 222+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-26 18:34 [RFC] ARM VM System Sepcification Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 18:34 ` Christoffer Dall
     [not found] ` < CACxGe6tjuytsYAn6Hadf0AK+REzHgRydgbHPafL8+Sdtd_tMUA@mail.gmail.com>
2014-02-26 19:27 ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 19:27 ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 19:27   ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 19:51   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 19:51   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 19:51     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27 13:12     ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-27 13:12       ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-27 16:02       ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27 16:02       ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27 16:02         ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-01 15:41       ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 15:41         ` Grant Likely
2014-02-27 13:12     ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 19:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-26 19:55   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-26 20:05   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 20:05     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 20:22     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-26 20:22     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-26 20:22       ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]       ` < CABGGisxHOVqLcG7hVAuAzdeic41KWSLLBSjQLSJQcjTXLhNCow@mail.gmail.com>
2014-02-26 21:56       ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 21:56         ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 22:21         ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 22:21           ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27  7:30           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27  7:30             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 10:05             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 10:05             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 10:05               ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27  7:30           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-03-01 19:12           ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 19:12             ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 19:12           ` Grant Likely
2014-02-26 22:21         ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 21:56       ` Rob Herring
2014-02-27  9:35     ` Catalin Marinas
2014-02-27  9:35       ` Catalin Marinas
2014-02-27  9:35     ` Catalin Marinas
2014-02-26 20:05   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 20:19   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-26 20:19     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-26 20:20     ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 20:20     ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 20:20       ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 20:19   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-26 21:48   ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-26 21:48   ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-26 21:48     ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-26 22:25     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 22:25     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 22:25       ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-01 19:20       ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 19:20       ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 19:20         ` Grant Likely
2014-02-27 12:31     ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-27 12:31       ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-27 14:00       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 14:00         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 14:24         ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-27 14:24           ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-27 19:56           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 19:56           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 19:56             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-28  0:05             ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-28  0:05             ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-28  0:05               ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-28 10:01               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-28 10:01                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-28 10:01               ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]               ` <CB7DBE07-42BD-4588-AC9E-CB0BF95A811A-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-28 13:38                 ` Riku Voipio
2014-02-28 13:38               ` Riku Voipio
2014-02-28 14:44               ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-28 14:44               ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-28 14:44                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-27 14:24         ` Alexander Graf
2014-03-01 19:25         ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 19:25         ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 19:25           ` Grant Likely
2014-02-27 14:00       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 12:31     ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-26 22:49   ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 22:49   ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 22:49     ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 22:54     ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 22:54       ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 23:08       ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 23:08       ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 23:08         ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 23:14         ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 23:14         ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 23:14           ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-27  4:06           ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-02-27  4:06             ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-02-27  4:06           ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-02-27 11:36         ` Robie Basak
2014-02-27 11:36           ` Robie Basak
2014-02-27 11:36         ` Robie Basak
2014-02-26 22:54     ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 23:13     ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 23:13       ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 23:13     ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 19:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-26 21:05 ` Michael Hudson-Doyle
2014-02-26 21:05 ` Michael Hudson-Doyle
2014-02-26 21:05   ` Michael Hudson-Doyle
2014-02-26 21:08   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 21:08     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 21:08   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 22:35 ` Grant Likely
2014-02-26 22:35 ` Grant Likely
2014-02-26 22:47   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 22:47     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 22:47   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27 12:27   ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-27 12:27     ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-03-01 19:54     ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 19:54       ` Grant Likely
2014-03-02  9:29       ` Peter Maydell
2014-03-02  9:29         ` Peter Maydell
2014-03-02  9:29       ` Peter Maydell
2014-03-01 19:54     ` Grant Likely
2014-02-27 12:27   ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-27 12:55   ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-27 12:55   ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-27 12:55     ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-27  0:41 ` Blibbet
2014-02-27  0:41 ` Blibbet
2014-02-27  0:41   ` Blibbet
     [not found] ` <20140226134251.0436294e@anubis.ausil.us>
     [not found]   ` <CAMJs5B9bCs8Oz2Zg4UK--A3H4AaZRPMwy7SpxYom-1--_=qhBQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <20140226151536.58154704@anubis.ausil.us>
2014-02-27 17:34       ` Grant Likely
2014-02-27 17:34         ` Grant Likely
2014-02-27 17:34       ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 15:27 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 15:27   ` Grant Likely
2014-03-03  1:13   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-03  1:13     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-03  1:13   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-06  8:52   ` Robie Basak
2014-03-06  8:52     ` Robie Basak
2014-03-06  9:46     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-06  9:46       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-06 11:44       ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-06 11:44         ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-06 12:04         ` Robie Basak
2014-03-06 12:04         ` Robie Basak
2014-03-06 12:04           ` Robie Basak
2014-03-06 12:10           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-06 12:10             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-06 12:10           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-07 12:24           ` Grant Likely
2014-03-07 12:24             ` Grant Likely
     [not found]             ` < 20140322010206.GF25519@cbox>
2014-03-22  2:29             ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-22  2:29               ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-22  8:08               ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-22  8:08               ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-22  8:08                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-23  3:19                 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-23  3:19                   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-23  3:29                   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-23  3:29                   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-23  3:29                     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-24  9:57                     ` Robie Basak
2014-03-24  9:57                       ` Robie Basak
2014-03-24 10:46                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-24 10:46                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-24 10:46                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-24  9:57                     ` Robie Basak
2014-03-23  3:19                 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-22 12:23               ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22 12:23               ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22 12:23                 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22 19:57                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-22 19:57                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-22 22:35                   ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22 22:35                   ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22 22:35                     ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22 23:38                   ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-22 23:38                   ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-22 23:38                     ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-23  0:33                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-23  0:33                       ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-23  0:33                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-22 19:57                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-23  3:23                 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-23  3:23                 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-23  3:23                   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-24  9:03                 ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24  9:03                 ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24  9:03                   ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 10:41                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-24 10:41                   ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2014-03-24 10:41                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-24 10:47                     ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 10:47                       ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 10:47                     ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 12:13                   ` Grant Likely
2014-03-24 12:13                     ` Grant Likely
2014-03-24 12:16                     ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 12:16                     ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 12:16                       ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 12:13                   ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22  2:29             ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-07 12:24           ` Grant Likely
2014-03-06 11:44       ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-07 12:19       ` Grant Likely
2014-03-07 12:19       ` Grant Likely
2014-03-07 12:19         ` Grant Likely
2014-03-08 11:41       ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-08 11:41         ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-08 20:41         ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-08 20:41           ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-08 20:41         ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-08 11:41       ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-06  9:46     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-07 12:09     ` Grant Likely
2014-03-07 12:09       ` Grant Likely
2014-03-07 12:09     ` Grant Likely
2014-03-06  8:52   ` Robie Basak
2014-03-01 15:27 ` Grant Likely
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-02-26 18:34 Christoffer Dall

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