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From: Peter Ujfalusi <peter.ujfalusi-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
To: Sekhar Nori <nsekhar-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
	Vinod Koul <vinod.koul-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: davinci-linux-open-source-VycZQUHpC/PFrsHnngEfi1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org,
	Lars-Peter Clausen <lars-Qo5EllUWu/uELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>,
	joelf-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	mporter-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	Liam Girdwood <lgirdwood-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Takashi Iwai <tiwai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	dmaengine-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	dan.j.williams-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	linux-omap-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 05/14] arm: common: edma: Select event queue 1 as default when booted with DT
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:41:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <534BD788.3050406@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <534BD0B5.5000004-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>

On 04/14/2014 03:12 PM, Sekhar Nori wrote:
> On Monday 14 April 2014 05:26 PM, Peter Ujfalusi wrote:
>> Hi Vinod,
>>
>> On 04/11/2014 03:46 PM, Vinod Koul wrote:
>>> I think the number shouldn't be viewed in absolute terms. If we decide that (lets
>>> say) 0-7, then any controller should map 0 to lowest and 7 to highest.
>>>
>>> For your case you can do this and then intermediate numbers would be medium
>>> priority. Such a system might work well...
>>>
>>> Also how would a client driver know which priority to use? Would it come from
>>> DT?
>>
>> I think DT would be the best place.
> 
> In the strict sense of what DT is supposed to represent, DT is not the
> best place for this. Priority is usecase driven rather that hardware
> description driven.

While this is true, the DMA priority - if supported by the DMA engine - is a
HW feature as well. If it is supported by the HW it can be used to tune and
partition the system for the anticipated load or purpose.

> So on a reasonably less loaded system, I am sure you
> could run audio even with a lower priority DMA queue.

Yes, you can. But as soon as you have other devices using the same priority
(with eDMA3 at least) and asks for a 'long' transfer it can ruin the audio.
During audio playback/capture you execute a long MMC read for example can
introduce a glitch.

> Moreover, IMHO, encoding it in DT now will make it an ABI. Without a
> wide variety of example use cases, I think it is too early to commit to
> an ABI.

True, but we need to start from somewhere?

I'm fine if we handle this right now as I did in this series (to put only
cyclic on high priority) for now. With some forward looking changes in the
implementation of course.

>> Not sure if we should set the range for this either. What I was thinking is to
>> add an optional new property to be set by the client nodes, using DMA:
>>
>> mcasp0: mcasp@48038000 {
>> 	compatible = "ti,am33xx-mcasp-audio";
>> 	...
>> 	dmas =	<&edma 8>,
>> 		<&edma 9>;
>> 	dma-names = "tx", "rx";
>> 	dma-priorities = <2>, <2>;
>> };
>>
>> We could agree that lower number means lower priority, higher is - well -
>> higher priority.
>> If the dma-priority is missing we should assume lowest priority (0).
>> The highest priority depends on the platform. For eDMA3 in AM335x it is three
>> level. For designware controller you might have the range 0-8 as valid.
>>
>> The question is how to get this information into use?
>> We can take the priority number in the core when the dma channel is requested
>> and add field to "struct dma_chan" in order to store it and the DMA drivers
>> could have access to it.
>> In this way we only need to update the nodes which needs non default priority
>> for DMA.
>>
>> What do you think?
> 
> If we are using dma_slave_config, I think it will be easiest to define
> two levels of priority (HIGH and LOW, as thats all we see a need for
> right now), and have the audio driver select the HIGH priority. If
> nothing is set, EDMA can default to LOW.

But the information on which channel should be high priority should be coming
form somewhere... We can wire it in the audio stack, but I don't think it is a
good idea to start with.
And if we have high/low priority we could as well have an integer to specify
the desired level.

-- 
Péter

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: peter.ujfalusi@ti.com (Peter Ujfalusi)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 05/14] arm: common: edma: Select event queue 1 as default when booted with DT
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:41:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <534BD788.3050406@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <534BD0B5.5000004@ti.com>

On 04/14/2014 03:12 PM, Sekhar Nori wrote:
> On Monday 14 April 2014 05:26 PM, Peter Ujfalusi wrote:
>> Hi Vinod,
>>
>> On 04/11/2014 03:46 PM, Vinod Koul wrote:
>>> I think the number shouldn't be viewed in absolute terms. If we decide that (lets
>>> say) 0-7, then any controller should map 0 to lowest and 7 to highest.
>>>
>>> For your case you can do this and then intermediate numbers would be medium
>>> priority. Such a system might work well...
>>>
>>> Also how would a client driver know which priority to use? Would it come from
>>> DT?
>>
>> I think DT would be the best place.
> 
> In the strict sense of what DT is supposed to represent, DT is not the
> best place for this. Priority is usecase driven rather that hardware
> description driven.

While this is true, the DMA priority - if supported by the DMA engine - is a
HW feature as well. If it is supported by the HW it can be used to tune and
partition the system for the anticipated load or purpose.

> So on a reasonably less loaded system, I am sure you
> could run audio even with a lower priority DMA queue.

Yes, you can. But as soon as you have other devices using the same priority
(with eDMA3 at least) and asks for a 'long' transfer it can ruin the audio.
During audio playback/capture you execute a long MMC read for example can
introduce a glitch.

> Moreover, IMHO, encoding it in DT now will make it an ABI. Without a
> wide variety of example use cases, I think it is too early to commit to
> an ABI.

True, but we need to start from somewhere?

I'm fine if we handle this right now as I did in this series (to put only
cyclic on high priority) for now. With some forward looking changes in the
implementation of course.

>> Not sure if we should set the range for this either. What I was thinking is to
>> add an optional new property to be set by the client nodes, using DMA:
>>
>> mcasp0: mcasp at 48038000 {
>> 	compatible = "ti,am33xx-mcasp-audio";
>> 	...
>> 	dmas =	<&edma 8>,
>> 		<&edma 9>;
>> 	dma-names = "tx", "rx";
>> 	dma-priorities = <2>, <2>;
>> };
>>
>> We could agree that lower number means lower priority, higher is - well -
>> higher priority.
>> If the dma-priority is missing we should assume lowest priority (0).
>> The highest priority depends on the platform. For eDMA3 in AM335x it is three
>> level. For designware controller you might have the range 0-8 as valid.
>>
>> The question is how to get this information into use?
>> We can take the priority number in the core when the dma channel is requested
>> and add field to "struct dma_chan" in order to store it and the DMA drivers
>> could have access to it.
>> In this way we only need to update the nodes which needs non default priority
>> for DMA.
>>
>> What do you think?
> 
> If we are using dma_slave_config, I think it will be easiest to define
> two levels of priority (HIGH and LOW, as thats all we see a need for
> right now), and have the audio driver select the HIGH priority. If
> nothing is set, EDMA can default to LOW.

But the information on which channel should be high priority should be coming
form somewhere... We can wire it in the audio stack, but I don't think it is a
good idea to start with.
And if we have high/low priority we could as well have an integer to specify
the desired level.

-- 
P?ter

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Peter Ujfalusi <peter.ujfalusi@ti.com>
To: Sekhar Nori <nsekhar@ti.com>, Vinod Koul <vinod.koul@intel.com>
Cc: <dan.j.williams@intel.com>, <dmaengine@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <joelf@ti.com>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	<linux-omap@vger.kernel.org>,
	<davinci-linux-open-source@linux.davincidsp.com>,
	<mporter@linaro.org>, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>,
	Liam Girdwood <lgirdwood@gmail.com>, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 05/14] arm: common: edma: Select event queue 1 as default when booted with DT
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:41:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <534BD788.3050406@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <534BD0B5.5000004@ti.com>

On 04/14/2014 03:12 PM, Sekhar Nori wrote:
> On Monday 14 April 2014 05:26 PM, Peter Ujfalusi wrote:
>> Hi Vinod,
>>
>> On 04/11/2014 03:46 PM, Vinod Koul wrote:
>>> I think the number shouldn't be viewed in absolute terms. If we decide that (lets
>>> say) 0-7, then any controller should map 0 to lowest and 7 to highest.
>>>
>>> For your case you can do this and then intermediate numbers would be medium
>>> priority. Such a system might work well...
>>>
>>> Also how would a client driver know which priority to use? Would it come from
>>> DT?
>>
>> I think DT would be the best place.
> 
> In the strict sense of what DT is supposed to represent, DT is not the
> best place for this. Priority is usecase driven rather that hardware
> description driven.

While this is true, the DMA priority - if supported by the DMA engine - is a
HW feature as well. If it is supported by the HW it can be used to tune and
partition the system for the anticipated load or purpose.

> So on a reasonably less loaded system, I am sure you
> could run audio even with a lower priority DMA queue.

Yes, you can. But as soon as you have other devices using the same priority
(with eDMA3 at least) and asks for a 'long' transfer it can ruin the audio.
During audio playback/capture you execute a long MMC read for example can
introduce a glitch.

> Moreover, IMHO, encoding it in DT now will make it an ABI. Without a
> wide variety of example use cases, I think it is too early to commit to
> an ABI.

True, but we need to start from somewhere?

I'm fine if we handle this right now as I did in this series (to put only
cyclic on high priority) for now. With some forward looking changes in the
implementation of course.

>> Not sure if we should set the range for this either. What I was thinking is to
>> add an optional new property to be set by the client nodes, using DMA:
>>
>> mcasp0: mcasp@48038000 {
>> 	compatible = "ti,am33xx-mcasp-audio";
>> 	...
>> 	dmas =	<&edma 8>,
>> 		<&edma 9>;
>> 	dma-names = "tx", "rx";
>> 	dma-priorities = <2>, <2>;
>> };
>>
>> We could agree that lower number means lower priority, higher is - well -
>> higher priority.
>> If the dma-priority is missing we should assume lowest priority (0).
>> The highest priority depends on the platform. For eDMA3 in AM335x it is three
>> level. For designware controller you might have the range 0-8 as valid.
>>
>> The question is how to get this information into use?
>> We can take the priority number in the core when the dma channel is requested
>> and add field to "struct dma_chan" in order to store it and the DMA drivers
>> could have access to it.
>> In this way we only need to update the nodes which needs non default priority
>> for DMA.
>>
>> What do you think?
> 
> If we are using dma_slave_config, I think it will be easiest to define
> two levels of priority (HIGH and LOW, as thats all we see a need for
> right now), and have the audio driver select the HIGH priority. If
> nothing is set, EDMA can default to LOW.

But the information on which channel should be high priority should be coming
form somewhere... We can wire it in the audio stack, but I don't think it is a
good idea to start with.
And if we have high/low priority we could as well have an integer to specify
the desired level.

-- 
Péter

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-04-14 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-01 13:06 [PATCH v2 00/14] dma: edma: Fixes for cyclic (audio) operation Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06 ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06 ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06 ` [PATCH v2 02/14] dma: edma: Correct the handling of src/dst_maxburst == 0 Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06 ` [PATCH v2 04/14] dma: edma: Set DMA_CYCLIC capability flag Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06 ` [PATCH v2 05/14] arm: common: edma: Select event queue 1 as default when booted with DT Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` Peter Ujfalusi
     [not found]   ` <1396357575-30585-6-git-send-email-peter.ujfalusi-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-10 16:23     ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-10 16:23       ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-10 16:23       ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-11  8:17     ` Sekhar Nori
2014-04-11  8:17       ` Sekhar Nori
2014-04-11  8:17       ` Sekhar Nori
     [not found]       ` <5347A4FD.1030803-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-11  8:50         ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11  8:50           ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11  8:50           ` Peter Ujfalusi
     [not found]           ` <5347ACDE.7040407-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-11  8:56             ` Sekhar Nori
2014-04-11  8:56               ` Sekhar Nori
2014-04-11  8:56               ` Sekhar Nori
     [not found]               ` <5347AE49.5020109-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-11  9:38                 ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11  9:38                   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11  9:38                   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11  9:42                   ` Vinod Koul
2014-04-11  9:42                     ` Vinod Koul
2014-04-11  9:42                     ` Vinod Koul
     [not found]                     ` <20140411094217.GA32284-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-11 10:19                       ` Sekhar Nori
2014-04-11 10:19                         ` Sekhar Nori
2014-04-11 10:19                         ` Sekhar Nori
2014-04-11 11:32                       ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11 11:32                         ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11 11:32                         ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11 11:31                         ` Vinod Koul
2014-04-11 11:31                           ` Vinod Koul
     [not found]                           ` <20140411113154.GB32284-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-11 12:23                             ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11 12:23                               ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11 12:23                               ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11 12:46                               ` Vinod Koul
2014-04-11 12:46                                 ` Vinod Koul
2014-04-11 12:46                                 ` Vinod Koul
     [not found]                                 ` <20140411124641.GC32284-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-14 11:56                                   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-14 11:56                                     ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-14 11:56                                     ` Peter Ujfalusi
     [not found]                                     ` <534BCCD3.9060805-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-14 12:12                                       ` Sekhar Nori
2014-04-14 12:12                                         ` Sekhar Nori
2014-04-14 12:12                                         ` Sekhar Nori
     [not found]                                         ` <534BD0B5.5000004-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-14 12:41                                           ` Peter Ujfalusi [this message]
2014-04-14 12:41                                             ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-14 12:41                                             ` Peter Ujfalusi
     [not found]                                             ` <534BD788.3050406-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-14 14:32                                               ` Sekhar Nori
2014-04-14 14:32                                                 ` Sekhar Nori
2014-04-14 14:32                                                 ` Sekhar Nori
     [not found]                                                 ` <534BF181.6060503-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 12:59                                                   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-16 12:59                                                     ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-16 12:59                                                     ` Peter Ujfalusi
     [not found]                                                     ` <534E7EB0.9000601-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-16 16:05                                                       ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-16 16:05                                                         ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-16 16:05                                                         ` Joel Fernandes
     [not found]                                                         ` <534EAA49.7030702-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-24  9:07                                                           ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-24  9:07                                                             ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-24  9:07                                                             ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11 20:16                       ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-11 20:16                         ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-11 20:16                         ` Joel Fernandes
     [not found] ` <1396357575-30585-1-git-send-email-peter.ujfalusi-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-01 13:06   ` [PATCH v2 01/14] platform_data: edma: Be precise with the paRAM struct Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06     ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06     ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` [PATCH v2 03/14] dma: edma: Add support for DMA_PAUSE/RESUME operation Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06     ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06     ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11 16:43     ` Vinod Koul
2014-04-11 16:43       ` Vinod Koul
     [not found]       ` <20140411164327.GD32284-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-11 20:51         ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-11 20:51           ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-11 20:51           ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-01 13:06   ` [PATCH v2 06/14] arm: common: edma: Save the number of event queues/TCs Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06     ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06     ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` [PATCH v2 07/14] arm: common: edma: API to request non default queue for a channel Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06     ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06     ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11  8:43     ` Sekhar Nori
2014-04-11  8:43       ` Sekhar Nori
2014-04-11  8:43       ` Sekhar Nori
2014-04-01 13:06   ` [PATCH v2 08/14] DMA: edma: Use different eventq for cyclic channels Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06     ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06     ` Peter Ujfalusi
     [not found]     ` <1396357575-30585-9-git-send-email-peter.ujfalusi-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-10 16:36       ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-10 16:36         ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-10 16:36         ` Joel Fernandes
     [not found]         ` <5346C88E.8010504-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-11 16:47           ` Vinod Koul
2014-04-11 16:47             ` Vinod Koul
2014-04-11 16:47             ` Vinod Koul
     [not found]             ` <20140411164755.GE32284-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-11 20:56               ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-11 20:56                 ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-11 20:56                 ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-01 13:06   ` [PATCH v2 09/14] dma: edma: Implement device_slave_caps callback Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06     ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06     ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` [PATCH v2 10/14] dma: edma: Simplify direction configuration in edma_config_pset() Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06     ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06     ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-10 22:40     ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-10 22:40       ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-10 22:40       ` Joel Fernandes
     [not found]       ` <53471DC5.4090001-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-11  6:39         ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11  6:39           ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11  6:39           ` Peter Ujfalusi
     [not found]           ` <53478E0E.8040709-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-11 19:57             ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-11 19:57               ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-11 19:57               ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-10 22:52   ` [PATCH v2 00/14] dma: edma: Fixes for cyclic (audio) operation Joel Fernandes
2014-04-10 22:52     ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-10 22:52     ` Joel Fernandes
2014-04-01 13:06 ` [PATCH v2 11/14] dma: edma: Reduce debug print verbosity for non verbose debugging Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06 ` [PATCH v2 12/14] dma: edma: Prefix debug prints where the text were identical in prep callbacks Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06 ` [PATCH v2 13/14] dma: edma: Add channel number to debug prints Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06 ` [PATCH v2 14/14] dma: edma: Print the direction value as well when it is not supported Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-01 13:06   ` Peter Ujfalusi
2014-04-11 16:52 ` [PATCH v2 00/14] dma: edma: Fixes for cyclic (audio) operation Vinod Koul
2014-04-11 16:52   ` Vinod Koul

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