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From: Manfred Spraul <manfred-nhLOkwUX5cPe2c5cEj3t2g@public.gmane.org>
To: Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org>,
	Marian Marinov <mm-108MBtLGafw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Greg KH
	<gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org,
	Linux Containers
	<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	n-horiguchi-PaJj6Psr51x8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] IPC initialize shmmax and shmall from the current value not the default
Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 13:17:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <536621D4.60002@colorfullife.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1399161216.2573.9.camel-5JQ4ckphU/8SZAcGdq5asR6epYMZPwEe5NbjCUgZEJk@public.gmane.org>

Hi Marian,

Note: The limits will soon be increased to (nearly) ULONG_MAX.
I.e.: If you propose the patch because you are running into issues with 
a too small SEMMAX after an unshare(CLONE_NEWIPC), then this will be 
fixed soon.


On 05/04/2014 01:53 AM, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> On Sun, 2014-05-04 at 01:48 +0300, Marian Marinov wrote:
>> When we are creating new IPC namespace that should be cloned from the current namespace it is a good idea to copy the
>> values of the current shmmax and shmall to the new namespace.
The idea sounds reasonable:
If an admin has reduced the limits, then the reduction should also apply 
after a unshare(CLONE_NEWIPC).

But:
Your patch doesn't use the current shmmax, it uses the shmmax from 
init_ipc_ns.
Would it be possible to use the current values?

> Why is this a good idea?
>
> This would break userspace that relies on the current behavior.
> Furthermore we've recently changed the default value of both these
> limits to be as large as you can get, thus deprecating them. I don't
> like the idea of this being replaced by namespaces.
Davidlohr: We are not deprecating them, we make the default huge.
The limits should stay as usable as they were.

With regards to breaking user space, I must think about it a bit more.
Right now, each new namespace starts with SEMMAX=32MB, i.e. an often 
unusable default.

--
     Manfred

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From: Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>
To: Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr@hp.com>, Marian Marinov <mm@1h.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, n-horiguchi@ah.jp.nec.com,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] IPC initialize shmmax and shmall from the current value not the default
Date: Sun, 04 May 2014 13:17:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <536621D4.60002@colorfullife.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1399161216.2573.9.camel@buesod1.americas.hpqcorp.net>

Hi Marian,

Note: The limits will soon be increased to (nearly) ULONG_MAX.
I.e.: If you propose the patch because you are running into issues with 
a too small SEMMAX after an unshare(CLONE_NEWIPC), then this will be 
fixed soon.


On 05/04/2014 01:53 AM, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> On Sun, 2014-05-04 at 01:48 +0300, Marian Marinov wrote:
>> When we are creating new IPC namespace that should be cloned from the current namespace it is a good idea to copy the
>> values of the current shmmax and shmall to the new namespace.
The idea sounds reasonable:
If an admin has reduced the limits, then the reduction should also apply 
after a unshare(CLONE_NEWIPC).

But:
Your patch doesn't use the current shmmax, it uses the shmmax from 
init_ipc_ns.
Would it be possible to use the current values?

> Why is this a good idea?
>
> This would break userspace that relies on the current behavior.
> Furthermore we've recently changed the default value of both these
> limits to be as large as you can get, thus deprecating them. I don't
> like the idea of this being replaced by namespaces.
Davidlohr: We are not deprecating them, we make the default huge.
The limits should stay as usable as they were.

With regards to breaking user space, I must think about it a bit more.
Right now, each new namespace starts with SEMMAX=32MB, i.e. an often 
unusable default.

--
     Manfred

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-04 11:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-03 22:48 [PATCH] IPC initialize shmmax and shmall from the current value not the default Marian Marinov
2014-05-03 22:48 ` Marian Marinov
     [not found] ` <5365723D.7030303-108MBtLGafw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-03 23:53   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-05-03 23:53     ` Davidlohr Bueso
     [not found]     ` <1399161216.2573.9.camel-5JQ4ckphU/8SZAcGdq5asR6epYMZPwEe5NbjCUgZEJk@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-04  0:28       ` Marian Marinov
2014-05-04  0:28         ` Marian Marinov
     [not found]         ` <536589B5.8060900-108MBtLGafw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-04  1:20           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-05-04  1:20             ` Davidlohr Bueso
     [not found]             ` <1399166450.2573.15.camel-5JQ4ckphU/8SZAcGdq5asR6epYMZPwEe5NbjCUgZEJk@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-04  9:29               ` Marian Marinov
2014-05-04  9:29                 ` Marian Marinov
2014-05-04 11:17       ` Manfred Spraul [this message]
2014-05-04 11:17         ` Manfred Spraul
     [not found]         ` <536621D4.60002-nhLOkwUX5cPe2c5cEj3t2g@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-04 17:19           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-05-04 17:19             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-05-05 19:59         ` Marian Marinov
2014-05-22 13:01           ` Marian Marinov
     [not found]             ` <537DF520.2050904-108MBtLGafw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-25 20:01               ` Manfred Spraul
2014-05-25 20:01                 ` Manfred Spraul
     [not found]                 ` <53824C0D.1070204-nhLOkwUX5cPe2c5cEj3t2g@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-26  0:07                   ` Marian Marinov
2014-05-26  0:07                     ` Marian Marinov
2014-05-27 14:41                   ` Serge Hallyn
2014-05-27 14:41                     ` Serge Hallyn
     [not found]           ` <5367EDB6.3010408-108MBtLGafw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-22 13:01             ` Marian Marinov

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