From: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kvmclock: Ensure time in migration never goes backward
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 09:21:29 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <536B3079.7060109@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140508013325.GA5474@amt.cnet>
On 08.05.14 03:33, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 03:51:22PM +0200, Alexander Graf wrote:
>> When we migrate we ask the kernel about its current belief on what the guest
>> time would be. However, I've seen cases where the kvmclock guest structure
>> indicates a time more recent than the kvm returned time.
>>
>> To make sure we never go backwards, calculate what the guest would have seen
>> as time at the point of migration and use that value instead of the kernel
>> returned one when it's more recent.
>>
>> While this doesn't fix the underlying issue that the kernel's view of time
>> is skewed, it allows us to safely migrate guests even from sources that are
>> known broken.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
> OK Alexander better move this logic to the kernel, in KVM_GET_CLOCK.
>
> Otherwise every user of KVM_GET_CLOCK would have to apply the
> workaround.
Well, the breakage occurs on the *source* of things. So if I have 100
VMs running, I'm pretty sure one of them gets hit by this bug.
If I put the workaround in the kernel, I have to take the chance to
break some of those 100 VMs to get things rolling. If I put it in QEMU,
I can live with a broken migration source.
This gets even worse when you want to phase out unfixed host kernels.
Alex
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From: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] kvmclock: Ensure time in migration never goes backward
Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 09:21:29 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <536B3079.7060109@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140508013325.GA5474@amt.cnet>
On 08.05.14 03:33, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 03:51:22PM +0200, Alexander Graf wrote:
>> When we migrate we ask the kernel about its current belief on what the guest
>> time would be. However, I've seen cases where the kvmclock guest structure
>> indicates a time more recent than the kvm returned time.
>>
>> To make sure we never go backwards, calculate what the guest would have seen
>> as time at the point of migration and use that value instead of the kernel
>> returned one when it's more recent.
>>
>> While this doesn't fix the underlying issue that the kernel's view of time
>> is skewed, it allows us to safely migrate guests even from sources that are
>> known broken.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
> OK Alexander better move this logic to the kernel, in KVM_GET_CLOCK.
>
> Otherwise every user of KVM_GET_CLOCK would have to apply the
> workaround.
Well, the breakage occurs on the *source* of things. So if I have 100
VMs running, I'm pretty sure one of them gets hit by this bug.
If I put the workaround in the kernel, I have to take the chance to
break some of those 100 VMs to get things rolling. If I put it in QEMU,
I can live with a broken migration source.
This gets even worse when you want to phase out unfixed host kernels.
Alex
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-05-08 7:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-05-05 13:51 [PATCH] kvmclock: Ensure time in migration never goes backward Alexander Graf
2014-05-05 13:51 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2014-05-05 17:46 ` Marcin Gibuła
2014-05-05 18:05 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-05 18:26 ` Marcin Gibuła
2014-05-05 23:27 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-05 23:27 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-05 23:31 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-05 23:31 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-06 8:07 ` Marcin Gibuła
2014-05-06 8:07 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcin Gibuła
2014-05-06 7:11 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-06 7:37 ` Marcin Gibuła
2014-05-05 23:23 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-05 23:23 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-05 23:31 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-05 23:31 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-06 7:18 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-06 7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2014-05-06 19:54 ` Marcin Gibuła
2014-05-07 23:23 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-07 23:23 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-07 23:21 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-07 23:21 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-07 23:29 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-07 23:29 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2014-05-06 7:16 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-06 7:16 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2014-05-07 10:04 ` Nick Thomas
2014-05-07 10:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Nick Thomas
2014-05-08 1:33 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-08 1:33 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-08 7:21 ` Alexander Graf [this message]
2014-05-08 7:21 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-09 2:28 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-09 2:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-09 11:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-05-09 11:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2014-05-12 20:26 ` Alexander Graf
2014-05-12 20:26 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2014-05-14 7:26 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-14 7:26 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-14 6:47 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-05-14 6:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
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