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From: Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart+renesas@ideasonboard.com>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-sh@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 03/23] v4l: Support extending the v4l2_pix_format structure
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:17:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53CD9197.1020307@xs4all.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1941629.cBcif0Vq2p@avalon>

On 07/21/2014 10:56 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> Hi Hans,
> 
> On Thursday 17 July 2014 23:04:09 Hans Verkuil wrote:
>> Hi Laurent,
>>
>> Something that just caught my eye:
>>
>> On 06/24/2014 01:54 AM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
>>> The v4l2_pix_format structure has no reserved field. It is embedded in
>>> the v4l2_framebuffer structure which has no reserved fields either, and
>>> in the v4l2_format structure which has reserved fields that were not
>>> previously required to be zeroed out by applications.
>>>
>>> To allow extending v4l2_pix_format, inline it in the v4l2_framebuffer
>>> structure, and use the priv field as a magic value to indicate that the
>>> application has set all v4l2_pix_format extended fields and zeroed all
>>> reserved fields following the v4l2_pix_format field in the v4l2_format
>>> structure.
>>>
>>> The availability of this API extension is reported to userspace through
>>> the new V4L2_CAP_EXT_PIX_FORMAT capability flag. Just checking that the
>>> priv field is still set to the magic value at [GS]_FMT return wouldn't
>>> be enough, as older kernels don't zero the priv field on return.
>>>
>>> To simplify the internal API towards drivers zero the extended fields
>>> and set the priv field to the magic value for applications not aware of
>>> the extensions.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Laurent Pinchart
>>> <laurent.pinchart+renesas@ideasonboard.com>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> diff --git a/Documentation/DocBook/media/v4l/pixfmt.xml
>>> b/Documentation/DocBook/media/v4l/pixfmt.xml index 91dcbc8..8c56cacd
>>> 100644
>>> --- a/Documentation/DocBook/media/v4l/pixfmt.xml
>>> +++ b/Documentation/DocBook/media/v4l/pixfmt.xml
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>> +<para>To use the extended fields, applications must set the
>>> +<structfield>priv</structfield> field to
>>> +<constant>V4L2_PIX_FMT_PRIV_MAGIC</constant>, initialize all the extended
>>> fields
>>> +and zero the unused bytes of the <structname>v4l2_format</structname>
>>> +<structfield>raw_data</structfield> field.</para>
>>
>> Easy to write, much harder to implement. You would end up with something
>> like:
>>
>> memset(&fmt.fmt.pix.flags + sizeof(fmt.fmt.pix.flags), 0,
>> 	sizeof(fmt.fmt.raw_data) - sizeof(fmt.fmt.pix));
>>
>> Not user-friendly and error-prone.
> 
> Or, rather, memset the whole v4l2_format structure to 0 and then fill it.
> 
>> I would suggest adding a reserved array to pix_format instead, of at least
>> size (10 + 2 * 7) / 4 = 6 __u32. So: __u32 reserved[6]. Better would be to
>> go with 10 + 17 = 27 elements (same as the number of reserved elements in
>> v4l2_pix_format_mplane and one struct v4l2_plane_pix_format).
> 
> Maybe it's a bit late, but I'm not sure to see where you got those values.

I'm making the assumption that anything we might want to add to pix_format, we
also want to add to pix_format_mplane. And the latter has 10 reserved bytes in
the pix_format_mplane struct and another 7 __u16's in each plane_pix_format.
So for a single plane format that means that there are 10 + 2 * 7 bytes reserved
space available in the multiplanar case (for the main struct + one plane struct).

We could add a __u8 reserved[24] to pix_format. Then the amount of reserved fields
in pix_format is identical to that in pix_format_mplane. That makes it easy to
keep in sync. The alignment looks to be OK too (no holes in the struct).
(BTW, when I wrote '10 + 17' in my earlier email I meant '10 + 14'. Sorry about
that confusion.)

But perhaps I am just over-analyzing and the real problem is the text in the spec
'initialize all the extended fields and zero the unused bytes of the v4l2_format
raw_data field.'. It might be better to add something along the lines of:

"It is good practice to either call VIDIOC_G_FMT first, and then modify any fields,
or to memset to 0 the whole v4l2_format structure before filling in fields."

> If we want to use a reserved array, it would make more sense to make it cover the 
> whole raw_data array, otherwise future extensions could require an API change. 
> On the other hand this would result in the v4l2_pix_format structure suddenly 
> consuming 200 bytes instead of 36 today. That wouldn't be good when allocated 
> on the stack.

I think the amount of available space in the multiplanar structs puts an upper
limit to what can be done with pix_format anyway. So reserving more space seems
unnecessary. It's not as if we'll see a huge number of new fields appearing.
I know of one flag that might be needed to signal alternate quantization ranges
to enhance the colorspace information, but that's all I know about.

Regards,

	Hans

> 
>> That will allow you to just say that the app should zero the reserved array.
> 


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart+renesas@ideasonboard.com>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-sh@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 03/23] v4l: Support extending the v4l2_pix_format structure
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 00:17:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53CD9197.1020307@xs4all.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1941629.cBcif0Vq2p@avalon>

On 07/21/2014 10:56 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> Hi Hans,
> 
> On Thursday 17 July 2014 23:04:09 Hans Verkuil wrote:
>> Hi Laurent,
>>
>> Something that just caught my eye:
>>
>> On 06/24/2014 01:54 AM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
>>> The v4l2_pix_format structure has no reserved field. It is embedded in
>>> the v4l2_framebuffer structure which has no reserved fields either, and
>>> in the v4l2_format structure which has reserved fields that were not
>>> previously required to be zeroed out by applications.
>>>
>>> To allow extending v4l2_pix_format, inline it in the v4l2_framebuffer
>>> structure, and use the priv field as a magic value to indicate that the
>>> application has set all v4l2_pix_format extended fields and zeroed all
>>> reserved fields following the v4l2_pix_format field in the v4l2_format
>>> structure.
>>>
>>> The availability of this API extension is reported to userspace through
>>> the new V4L2_CAP_EXT_PIX_FORMAT capability flag. Just checking that the
>>> priv field is still set to the magic value at [GS]_FMT return wouldn't
>>> be enough, as older kernels don't zero the priv field on return.
>>>
>>> To simplify the internal API towards drivers zero the extended fields
>>> and set the priv field to the magic value for applications not aware of
>>> the extensions.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Laurent Pinchart
>>> <laurent.pinchart+renesas@ideasonboard.com>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> diff --git a/Documentation/DocBook/media/v4l/pixfmt.xml
>>> b/Documentation/DocBook/media/v4l/pixfmt.xml index 91dcbc8..8c56cacd
>>> 100644
>>> --- a/Documentation/DocBook/media/v4l/pixfmt.xml
>>> +++ b/Documentation/DocBook/media/v4l/pixfmt.xml
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>> +<para>To use the extended fields, applications must set the
>>> +<structfield>priv</structfield> field to
>>> +<constant>V4L2_PIX_FMT_PRIV_MAGIC</constant>, initialize all the extended
>>> fields
>>> +and zero the unused bytes of the <structname>v4l2_format</structname>
>>> +<structfield>raw_data</structfield> field.</para>
>>
>> Easy to write, much harder to implement. You would end up with something
>> like:
>>
>> memset(&fmt.fmt.pix.flags + sizeof(fmt.fmt.pix.flags), 0,
>> 	sizeof(fmt.fmt.raw_data) - sizeof(fmt.fmt.pix));
>>
>> Not user-friendly and error-prone.
> 
> Or, rather, memset the whole v4l2_format structure to 0 and then fill it.
> 
>> I would suggest adding a reserved array to pix_format instead, of at least
>> size (10 + 2 * 7) / 4 = 6 __u32. So: __u32 reserved[6]. Better would be to
>> go with 10 + 17 = 27 elements (same as the number of reserved elements in
>> v4l2_pix_format_mplane and one struct v4l2_plane_pix_format).
> 
> Maybe it's a bit late, but I'm not sure to see where you got those values.

I'm making the assumption that anything we might want to add to pix_format, we
also want to add to pix_format_mplane. And the latter has 10 reserved bytes in
the pix_format_mplane struct and another 7 __u16's in each plane_pix_format.
So for a single plane format that means that there are 10 + 2 * 7 bytes reserved
space available in the multiplanar case (for the main struct + one plane struct).

We could add a __u8 reserved[24] to pix_format. Then the amount of reserved fields
in pix_format is identical to that in pix_format_mplane. That makes it easy to
keep in sync. The alignment looks to be OK too (no holes in the struct).
(BTW, when I wrote '10 + 17' in my earlier email I meant '10 + 14'. Sorry about
that confusion.)

But perhaps I am just over-analyzing and the real problem is the text in the spec
'initialize all the extended fields and zero the unused bytes of the v4l2_format
raw_data field.'. It might be better to add something along the lines of:

"It is good practice to either call VIDIOC_G_FMT first, and then modify any fields,
or to memset to 0 the whole v4l2_format structure before filling in fields."

> If we want to use a reserved array, it would make more sense to make it cover the 
> whole raw_data array, otherwise future extensions could require an API change. 
> On the other hand this would result in the v4l2_pix_format structure suddenly 
> consuming 200 bytes instead of 36 today. That wouldn't be good when allocated 
> on the stack.

I think the amount of available space in the multiplanar structs puts an upper
limit to what can be done with pix_format anyway. So reserving more space seems
unnecessary. It's not as if we'll see a huge number of new fields appearing.
I know of one flag that might be needed to signal alternate quantization ranges
to enhance the colorspace information, but that's all I know about.

Regards,

	Hans

> 
>> That will allow you to just say that the app should zero the reserved array.
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-21 22:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-23 23:54 [PATCH v2 00/23] Renesas VSP1: alpha support and miscellaneous fixes Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 01/23] v4l: Add ARGB and XRGB pixel formats Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-27  9:34   ` Hans Verkuil
2014-06-27  9:34     ` Hans Verkuil
2014-07-17 21:53   ` Hans Verkuil
2014-07-17 21:53     ` Hans Verkuil
2014-07-18 12:31     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-18 12:31       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-18 13:14       ` Hans Verkuil
2014-07-18 13:14         ` Hans Verkuil
2014-07-18 13:21         ` Hans Verkuil
2014-07-18 13:21           ` Hans Verkuil
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 02/23] DocBook: media: Document ALPHA_COMPONENT control usage on output devices Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-27  9:34   ` Hans Verkuil
2014-06-27  9:34     ` Hans Verkuil
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 03/23] v4l: Support extending the v4l2_pix_format structure Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-27 12:36   ` Hans Verkuil
2014-06-27 12:36     ` Hans Verkuil
2014-06-29 20:41     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-29 20:41       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-17 21:04   ` Hans Verkuil
2014-07-17 21:04     ` Hans Verkuil
2014-07-21 20:56     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-21 20:56       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-21 22:17       ` Hans Verkuil [this message]
2014-07-21 22:17         ` Hans Verkuil
2014-07-17 21:22   ` Hans Verkuil
2014-07-17 21:22     ` Hans Verkuil
2014-07-18  5:10     ` Hans Verkuil
2014-07-18  5:10       ` Hans Verkuil
2014-07-18 12:27       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-18 12:27         ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-18 13:12         ` Hans Verkuil
2014-07-18 13:12           ` Hans Verkuil
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 04/23] v4l: Add premultiplied alpha flag for pixel formats Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-27 12:39   ` Hans Verkuil
2014-06-27 12:39     ` Hans Verkuil
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 05/23] v4l: vb2: Fix stream start and buffer completion race Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-24 10:25   ` Hans Verkuil
2014-06-24 10:25     ` Hans Verkuil
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 06/23] v4l: vsp1: Fix routing cleanup when stopping the stream Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 07/23] v4l: vsp1: Release buffers at stream stop Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-24 12:00   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2014-06-24 12:00     ` Sergei Shtylyov
2014-07-01  7:16     ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-07-01  7:16       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 08/23] v4l: vsp1: Fix pipeline stop timeout Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 09/23] v4l: vsp1: Fix typos Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 10/23] v4l: vsp1: Cleanup video nodes at removal time Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 11/23] v4l: vsp1: Propagate vsp1_device_get errors to the callers Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 12/23] v4l: vsp1: Setup control handler automatically at stream on time Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 13/23] v4l: vsp1: sru: Fix the intensity control default value Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 14/23] v4l: vsp1: sru: Make the intensity controllable during streaming Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 15/23] v4l: vsp1: wpf: Simplify cast to pipeline structure Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 16/23] v4l: vsp1: wpf: Clear RPF to WPF association at stream off time Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 17/23] v4l: vsp1: Switch to XRGB formats Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 18/23] v4l: vsp1: Add alpha channel support to the memory ports Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 19/23] v4l: vsp1: Add V4L2_CID_ALPHA_COMPONENT control support Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 20/23] v4l: vsp1: bru: Support premultiplied alpha at the BRU inputs Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 21/23] v4l: vsp1: bru: Support non-premultiplied colors at the BRU output Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 22/23] v4l: vsp1: bru: Make the background color configurable Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54 ` [PATCH v2 23/23] v4l: vsp1: uds: Fix scaling of alpha layer Laurent Pinchart
2014-06-23 23:54   ` Laurent Pinchart

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