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From: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/7] Introduce automatic DMA configuration for IOMMU masters
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:24:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5405B6F2.1060105@samsung.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140902105730.GH25379-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>

Hi Will,

On 2014-09-02 12:57, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 11:42:13AM +0100, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>> On 2014-09-02 10:56, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 02 September 2014 10:48:02 Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>>>>>     -- I have concerns that allocating one domain per master might be
>>>>> too much, but it's hard to tell without an IOMMU driver ported over.
>>>> One domain per master is IMHO a sane default configuration. The only default
>>>> alternative I see is to have only one domain (related with dma-mapping
>>>> subsystem) and bind all devices to it. However I really don't see any
>>>> disadvantage of having separate domain per each master and such
>>>> configuration
>>>> gives devices better separation.
>>> I was expecting that the dma-mapping implementation would by default use
>>> one domain for all devices, since that is what the simpler IOMMUs without
>>> domain support have to do anyway.
>>>
>>> For isolation purposes, it can only help to have more domains, but
>>> I would guess that there is some space overhead in maintaining lots
>>> of page tables.
>> I'm okay with both approaches (separate domain for each device vs. single
>> common domain for all devices). Maybe this can be some kind of Kconfig
>> option added to DMA debugging? Separation might be really helpful when
>> debugging strange device behavior.
> One potential problem with a single domain is when you have multiple
> instances of a given IOMMU, each with different hardware restrictions.
> Then you can end up with multiple sets of page tables for the domain
> which, although not impossible to work with, is a bit of a mess.

Maybe the default dma-mapping domain should be one per a given IOMMU 
instance?
This will simplify a lot of things in such case.

> I think having one domain per IOMMU instance would make the most sense,
> but then you have to teach more of the stack about the IOMMU topology. I
> think we'll get there in the end, but that's a little way off right now.

Right, those seems to be a details.

Best regards
-- 
Marek Szyprowski, PhD
Samsung R&D Institute Poland

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: m.szyprowski@samsung.com (Marek Szyprowski)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 0/7] Introduce automatic DMA configuration for IOMMU masters
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:24:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5405B6F2.1060105@samsung.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140902105730.GH25379@arm.com>

Hi Will,

On 2014-09-02 12:57, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 11:42:13AM +0100, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>> On 2014-09-02 10:56, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 02 September 2014 10:48:02 Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>>>>>     -- I have concerns that allocating one domain per master might be
>>>>> too much, but it's hard to tell without an IOMMU driver ported over.
>>>> One domain per master is IMHO a sane default configuration. The only default
>>>> alternative I see is to have only one domain (related with dma-mapping
>>>> subsystem) and bind all devices to it. However I really don't see any
>>>> disadvantage of having separate domain per each master and such
>>>> configuration
>>>> gives devices better separation.
>>> I was expecting that the dma-mapping implementation would by default use
>>> one domain for all devices, since that is what the simpler IOMMUs without
>>> domain support have to do anyway.
>>>
>>> For isolation purposes, it can only help to have more domains, but
>>> I would guess that there is some space overhead in maintaining lots
>>> of page tables.
>> I'm okay with both approaches (separate domain for each device vs. single
>> common domain for all devices). Maybe this can be some kind of Kconfig
>> option added to DMA debugging? Separation might be really helpful when
>> debugging strange device behavior.
> One potential problem with a single domain is when you have multiple
> instances of a given IOMMU, each with different hardware restrictions.
> Then you can end up with multiple sets of page tables for the domain
> which, although not impossible to work with, is a bit of a mess.

Maybe the default dma-mapping domain should be one per a given IOMMU 
instance?
This will simplify a lot of things in such case.

> I think having one domain per IOMMU instance would make the most sense,
> but then you have to teach more of the stack about the IOMMU topology. I
> think we'll get there in the end, but that's a little way off right now.

Right, those seems to be a details.

Best regards
-- 
Marek Szyprowski, PhD
Samsung R&D Institute Poland

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-09-02 12:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-29 15:54 [RFC PATCH 0/7] Introduce automatic DMA configuration for IOMMU masters Will Deacon
2014-08-29 15:54 ` Will Deacon
     [not found] ` <1409327670-3495-1-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-29 15:54   ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] iommu: provide early initialisation hook for IOMMU drivers Will Deacon
2014-08-29 15:54     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]     ` <1409327670-3495-2-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-01  7:52       ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-01  7:52         ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-01 14:31         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-01 14:31           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-01 16:36           ` Will Deacon
2014-09-01 16:36             ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02  6:56         ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-02  6:56           ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-02 14:47       ` Varun Sethi
2014-09-02 14:47         ` Varun Sethi
2014-09-02 15:04         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 15:04           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-08-29 15:54   ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] dma-mapping: replace set_arch_dma_coherent_ops with arch_setup_dma_ops Will Deacon
2014-08-29 15:54     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]     ` <1409327670-3495-3-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-01 14:27       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-01 14:27         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-01 16:20         ` Will Deacon
2014-09-01 16:20           ` Will Deacon
2014-08-29 15:54   ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] iommu: add new iommu_ops callback for adding a device with a set of IDs Will Deacon
2014-08-29 15:54     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]     ` <1409327670-3495-4-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-01  8:13       ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-01  8:13         ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-01 14:39         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-01 14:39           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-01 16:34           ` Will Deacon
2014-09-01 16:34             ` Will Deacon
     [not found]             ` <20140901163400.GK24594-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-01 17:18               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-01 17:18                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-08-29 15:54   ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] iommu: provide helper function to configure an IOMMU for an of master Will Deacon
2014-08-29 15:54     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]     ` <1409327670-3495-5-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-01  8:29       ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-01  8:29         ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-01 14:46         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-01 14:46           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-01 16:40           ` Will Deacon
2014-09-01 16:40             ` Will Deacon
     [not found]             ` <20140901164000.GM24594-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-01 20:18               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-01 20:18                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 10:03                 ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02 10:03                   ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                   ` <20140902100342.GG25379-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-02 12:15                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 12:15                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 13:05                       ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02 13:05                         ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                         ` <20140902130508.GK25379-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-02 14:01                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 14:01                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 20:59                             ` jroedel-l3A5Bk7waGM
2014-09-02 20:59                               ` jroedel at suse.de
     [not found]                               ` <20140902205941.GA26123-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-03  9:45                                 ` Will Deacon
2014-09-03  9:45                                   ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02 15:03                       ` Varun Sethi
2014-09-02 15:03                         ` Varun Sethi
     [not found]                         ` <b8484a1ea45846bbaa8512d4597b9e65-AZ66ij2kwaacCcN9WK45f+O6mTEJWrR4XA4E9RH9d+qIuWR1G4zioA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-02 15:08                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 15:08                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 10:23           ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-02 10:23             ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-02 10:51       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-02 10:51         ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-02 11:03         ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02 11:03           ` Will Deacon
     [not found]           ` <20140902110340.GI25379-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-02 19:08             ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-02 19:08               ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-02 14:55       ` Varun Sethi
2014-09-02 14:55         ` Varun Sethi
2014-08-29 15:54   ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] dma-mapping: detect and configure IOMMU in of_dma_configure Will Deacon
2014-08-29 15:54     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]     ` <1409327670-3495-6-git-send-email-will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-01 14:53       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-01 14:53         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-08-29 15:54   ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] arm: call iommu_init before of_platform_populate Will Deacon
2014-08-29 15:54     ` Will Deacon
2014-08-29 15:54   ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] arm: dma-mapping: plumb our iommu mapping ops into arch_setup_dma_ops Will Deacon
2014-08-29 15:54     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02  6:26   ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] Introduce automatic DMA configuration for IOMMU masters Marek Szyprowski
2014-09-02  6:26     ` Marek Szyprowski
     [not found]     ` <540562F9.2030508-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-02  8:31       ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02  8:31         ` Will Deacon
     [not found]         ` <20140902083138.GA25379-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-02  8:48           ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-09-02  8:48             ` Marek Szyprowski
     [not found]             ` <54058442.2070204-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-02  8:56               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02  8:56                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 10:42                 ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-09-02 10:42                   ` Marek Szyprowski
     [not found]                   ` <54059F05.2090901-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-02 10:57                     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02 10:57                       ` Will Deacon
     [not found]                       ` <20140902105730.GH25379-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-02 12:24                         ` Marek Szyprowski [this message]
2014-09-02 12:24                           ` Marek Szyprowski
     [not found]                           ` <5405B6F2.1060105-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-02 12:43                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 12:43                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 21:50                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-02 21:50                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-09-02 12:22                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 12:22                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 12:30                       ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-09-02 12:30                         ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-09-02 12:46                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 12:46                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-02 13:11                           ` Marek Szyprowski
2014-09-02 13:11                             ` Marek Szyprowski

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