From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
kernel-team@android.com, kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 6/7] KVM: arm64: Upgrade PMU support to ARMv8.4
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 17:23:50 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54926337c1779a492f94f57ee63e5c69@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cd3d33ff-6217-6a7f-3110-fe728d6c11be@arm.com>
On 2021-01-27 17:00, Alexandru Elisei wrote:
> Hi Marc,
>
> On 1/27/21 2:35 PM, Marc Zyngier wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> On 2021-01-27 14:09, Alexandru Elisei wrote:
>>> Hi Marc,
>>>
>>> On 1/25/21 12:26 PM, Marc Zyngier wrote:
>>>> Upgrading the PMU code from ARMv8.1 to ARMv8.4 turns out to be
>>>> pretty easy. All that is required is support for PMMIR_EL1, which
>>>> is read-only, and for which returning 0 is a valid option as long
>>>> as we don't advertise STALL_SLOT as an implemented event.
>>>
>>> According to ARM DDI 0487F.b, page D7-2743:
>>>
>>> "If ARMv8.4-PMU is implemented:
>>> - If STALL_SLOT is not implemented, it is IMPLEMENTATION DEFINED
>>> whether the PMMIR
>>> System registers are implemented.
>>> - If STALL_SLOT is implemented, then the PMMIR System registers are
>>> implemented."
>>>
>>> I tried to come up with a reason why PMMIR is emulated instead of
>>> being left
>>> undefined, but I couldn't figure it out. Would you mind adding a
>>> comment or
>>> changing the commit message to explain that?
>>
>> The main reason is that PMMIR gets new fields down the line,
>> and doing the bare minimum in term of implementation allows
>> us to gently ease into it.
> I think I understand what you are saying - add a bare minimum emulation
> of the
> PMMIR register now so it's less work when we do decide to support the
> STALL_SLOT
> event for a guest.
>>
>> We could also go for the full PMMIR reporting on homogeneous
>> systems too, as a further improvement.
>>
>> What do you think?
>
> I don't have an opinion either way. But if you do decide to add full
> emulation for
> STALL_SLOT, I would like to help with reviewing the patches (I'm
> curious to see
> how KVM will detect that it's running on a homogeneous system).
I'm not sure we can *detect* it. We'd need some more information
from the core arch code and firmware. To be honest, PMU emulation
is a joke on BL, so maybe we shouldn't really care and expose
what we have.
M.
--
Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...
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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kernel-team@android.com,
kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu,
Julien Thierry <julien.thierry.kdev@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 6/7] KVM: arm64: Upgrade PMU support to ARMv8.4
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 17:23:50 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54926337c1779a492f94f57ee63e5c69@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cd3d33ff-6217-6a7f-3110-fe728d6c11be@arm.com>
On 2021-01-27 17:00, Alexandru Elisei wrote:
> Hi Marc,
>
> On 1/27/21 2:35 PM, Marc Zyngier wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> On 2021-01-27 14:09, Alexandru Elisei wrote:
>>> Hi Marc,
>>>
>>> On 1/25/21 12:26 PM, Marc Zyngier wrote:
>>>> Upgrading the PMU code from ARMv8.1 to ARMv8.4 turns out to be
>>>> pretty easy. All that is required is support for PMMIR_EL1, which
>>>> is read-only, and for which returning 0 is a valid option as long
>>>> as we don't advertise STALL_SLOT as an implemented event.
>>>
>>> According to ARM DDI 0487F.b, page D7-2743:
>>>
>>> "If ARMv8.4-PMU is implemented:
>>> - If STALL_SLOT is not implemented, it is IMPLEMENTATION DEFINED
>>> whether the PMMIR
>>> System registers are implemented.
>>> - If STALL_SLOT is implemented, then the PMMIR System registers are
>>> implemented."
>>>
>>> I tried to come up with a reason why PMMIR is emulated instead of
>>> being left
>>> undefined, but I couldn't figure it out. Would you mind adding a
>>> comment or
>>> changing the commit message to explain that?
>>
>> The main reason is that PMMIR gets new fields down the line,
>> and doing the bare minimum in term of implementation allows
>> us to gently ease into it.
> I think I understand what you are saying - add a bare minimum emulation
> of the
> PMMIR register now so it's less work when we do decide to support the
> STALL_SLOT
> event for a guest.
>>
>> We could also go for the full PMMIR reporting on homogeneous
>> systems too, as a further improvement.
>>
>> What do you think?
>
> I don't have an opinion either way. But if you do decide to add full
> emulation for
> STALL_SLOT, I would like to help with reviewing the patches (I'm
> curious to see
> how KVM will detect that it's running on a homogeneous system).
I'm not sure we can *detect* it. We'd need some more information
from the core arch code and firmware. To be honest, PMU emulation
is a joke on BL, so maybe we shouldn't really care and expose
what we have.
M.
--
Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...
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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Alexandru Elisei <alexandru.elisei@arm.com>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
Julien Thierry <julien.thierry.kdev@gmail.com>,
Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
kernel-team@android.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 6/7] KVM: arm64: Upgrade PMU support to ARMv8.4
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 17:23:50 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54926337c1779a492f94f57ee63e5c69@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cd3d33ff-6217-6a7f-3110-fe728d6c11be@arm.com>
On 2021-01-27 17:00, Alexandru Elisei wrote:
> Hi Marc,
>
> On 1/27/21 2:35 PM, Marc Zyngier wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> On 2021-01-27 14:09, Alexandru Elisei wrote:
>>> Hi Marc,
>>>
>>> On 1/25/21 12:26 PM, Marc Zyngier wrote:
>>>> Upgrading the PMU code from ARMv8.1 to ARMv8.4 turns out to be
>>>> pretty easy. All that is required is support for PMMIR_EL1, which
>>>> is read-only, and for which returning 0 is a valid option as long
>>>> as we don't advertise STALL_SLOT as an implemented event.
>>>
>>> According to ARM DDI 0487F.b, page D7-2743:
>>>
>>> "If ARMv8.4-PMU is implemented:
>>> - If STALL_SLOT is not implemented, it is IMPLEMENTATION DEFINED
>>> whether the PMMIR
>>> System registers are implemented.
>>> - If STALL_SLOT is implemented, then the PMMIR System registers are
>>> implemented."
>>>
>>> I tried to come up with a reason why PMMIR is emulated instead of
>>> being left
>>> undefined, but I couldn't figure it out. Would you mind adding a
>>> comment or
>>> changing the commit message to explain that?
>>
>> The main reason is that PMMIR gets new fields down the line,
>> and doing the bare minimum in term of implementation allows
>> us to gently ease into it.
> I think I understand what you are saying - add a bare minimum emulation
> of the
> PMMIR register now so it's less work when we do decide to support the
> STALL_SLOT
> event for a guest.
>>
>> We could also go for the full PMMIR reporting on homogeneous
>> systems too, as a further improvement.
>>
>> What do you think?
>
> I don't have an opinion either way. But if you do decide to add full
> emulation for
> STALL_SLOT, I would like to help with reviewing the patches (I'm
> curious to see
> how KVM will detect that it's running on a homogeneous system).
I'm not sure we can *detect* it. We'd need some more information
from the core arch code and firmware. To be honest, PMU emulation
is a joke on BL, so maybe we shouldn't really care and expose
what we have.
M.
--
Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-01-27 17:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-01-25 12:26 [PATCH v2 0/7] KVM: arm64: More PMU/debug ID register fixes Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] KVM: arm64: Fix missing RES1 in emulation of DBGBIDR Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-26 17:32 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-26 17:32 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-26 17:32 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-25 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] KVM: arm64: Fix AArch32 PMUv3 capping Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-26 17:35 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-26 17:35 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-26 17:35 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-25 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] KVM: arm64: Add handling of AArch32 PCMEID{2, 3} PMUv3 registers Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] KVM: arm64: Add handling of AArch32 PCMEID{2,3} " Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] KVM: arm64: Add handling of AArch32 PCMEID{2, 3} " Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] KVM: arm64: Refactor filtering of ID registers Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-27 12:12 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 12:12 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 12:12 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-25 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] KVM: arm64: Limit the debug architecture to ARMv8.0 Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-27 12:18 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 12:18 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 12:18 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-25 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] KVM: arm64: Upgrade PMU support to ARMv8.4 Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-27 14:09 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 14:09 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 14:09 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 14:35 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-27 14:35 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-27 14:35 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-27 17:00 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 17:00 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 17:00 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 17:23 ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2021-01-27 17:23 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-27 17:23 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-27 17:41 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 17:41 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 17:41 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-02-03 10:32 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-03 10:32 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-03 10:32 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-03 17:29 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-02-03 17:29 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-02-03 17:29 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 17:53 ` Auger Eric
2021-01-27 17:53 ` Auger Eric
2021-01-27 17:53 ` Auger Eric
2021-02-03 10:36 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-03 10:36 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-03 10:36 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-03 11:07 ` Auger Eric
2021-02-03 11:07 ` Auger Eric
2021-02-03 11:07 ` Auger Eric
2021-02-03 11:20 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-03 11:20 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-03 11:20 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-03 12:39 ` Auger Eric
2021-02-03 12:39 ` Auger Eric
2021-02-03 12:39 ` Auger Eric
2021-02-03 13:28 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-03 13:28 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-03 13:28 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-04 12:32 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-02-04 12:32 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-02-04 12:32 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-02-04 14:21 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-04 14:21 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-02-04 14:21 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] KVM: arm64: Use symbolic names for the PMU versions Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-25 12:26 ` Marc Zyngier
2021-01-27 14:28 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 14:28 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 14:28 ` Alexandru Elisei
2021-01-27 17:56 ` Auger Eric
2021-01-27 17:56 ` Auger Eric
2021-01-27 17:56 ` Auger Eric
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