From: Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Cc: "Wang, Jiada (ESD)" <Jiada_Wang@mentor.com>,
"alsa-devel@alsa-project.org" <alsa-devel@alsa-project.org>,
"Frkuska, Joshua" <Joshua_Frkuska@mentor.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"lgirdwood@gmail.com" <lgirdwood@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: unload Audio drivers while playback stream is active case kernel crash
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:57:03 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54B6679F.1030706@metafoo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150114120228.GT4160@sirena.org.uk>
On 01/14/2015 01:02 PM, Mark Brown wrote:
[...]
>>> I don't think that we need to prevent module unload when a stream is active.
>>> From a framework point of view is not different from hot-unplug. I don't
>>> see a reason why we'd jump through hoops to actively forbid removing the
>>> module once it works just fine.
>
>> Well, the module unload means a more drastic cleanup. Even if you
>> unbind, the code and data are still there while module unload may
>> clean them up all.
>
>> Above all, disallowing the module unload while using is the common
>> behavior of any other drivers. Why do we have to be a rebel against
>> all civil manner? :)
>
> That's not true for everything and for ASoC I'd tend to assume that the
> user knows what they're doing and has a good reason for it; it's
> certainly something that can be helpful in development.
My personal opinion on this is that disallowing module removal while a
driver registered by the module when is in use, while there is no technical
reason to do so, is a anti-feature. Whether in ALSA or elsewhere.
But looking at the source it seems that this is a core feature of ALSA and
at least for the card module itself it will do the ref-counting when a
stream is started/stopped. And we even support setting the owner of a card
in ASoC. It's just that pretty much no ASoC card driver bothers to set the
owner field in the snd_soc_card struct. So this particular problem can be
fixed by updating the imx-wm8962 driver to set the owner field.
- Lars
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From: Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Cc: "alsa-devel@alsa-project.org" <alsa-devel@alsa-project.org>,
"Wang, Jiada (ESD)" <Jiada_Wang@mentor.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"lgirdwood@gmail.com" <lgirdwood@gmail.com>,
"Frkuska, Joshua" <Joshua_Frkuska@mentor.com>
Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] unload Audio drivers while playback stream is active case kernel crash
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:57:03 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54B6679F.1030706@metafoo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150114120228.GT4160@sirena.org.uk>
On 01/14/2015 01:02 PM, Mark Brown wrote:
[...]
>>> I don't think that we need to prevent module unload when a stream is active.
>>> From a framework point of view is not different from hot-unplug. I don't
>>> see a reason why we'd jump through hoops to actively forbid removing the
>>> module once it works just fine.
>
>> Well, the module unload means a more drastic cleanup. Even if you
>> unbind, the code and data are still there while module unload may
>> clean them up all.
>
>> Above all, disallowing the module unload while using is the common
>> behavior of any other drivers. Why do we have to be a rebel against
>> all civil manner? :)
>
> That's not true for everything and for ASoC I'd tend to assume that the
> user knows what they're doing and has a good reason for it; it's
> certainly something that can be helpful in development.
My personal opinion on this is that disallowing module removal while a
driver registered by the module when is in use, while there is no technical
reason to do so, is a anti-feature. Whether in ALSA or elsewhere.
But looking at the source it seems that this is a core feature of ALSA and
at least for the card module itself it will do the ref-counting when a
stream is started/stopped. And we even support setting the owner of a card
in ASoC. It's just that pretty much no ASoC card driver bothers to set the
owner field in the snd_soc_card struct. So this particular problem can be
fixed by updating the imx-wm8962 driver to set the owner field.
- Lars
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-01-14 12:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-01-09 11:39 unload Audio drivers while playback stream is active case kernel crash Wang, Jiada (ESD)
2015-01-09 11:39 ` Wang, Jiada (ESD)
2015-01-13 17:24 ` Takashi Iwai
2015-01-13 17:24 ` [alsa-devel] " Takashi Iwai
2015-01-13 21:54 ` Mark Brown
2015-01-14 7:43 ` Takashi Iwai
2015-01-14 8:15 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-01-14 8:25 ` jiwang
2015-01-14 8:25 ` [alsa-devel] " jiwang
2015-01-14 9:34 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-01-14 9:34 ` [alsa-devel] " Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-01-14 8:47 ` Takashi Iwai
2015-01-14 10:00 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-01-14 10:00 ` [alsa-devel] " Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-01-14 10:50 ` Takashi Iwai
2015-01-14 12:02 ` Mark Brown
2015-01-14 12:02 ` [alsa-devel] " Mark Brown
2015-01-14 12:57 ` Lars-Peter Clausen [this message]
2015-01-14 12:57 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2015-01-14 13:06 ` Takashi Iwai
2015-01-14 13:06 ` [alsa-devel] " Takashi Iwai
2015-01-14 13:43 ` Fabio Estevam
2015-01-15 4:40 ` jiwang
2015-01-15 6:14 ` Takashi Iwai
2015-01-15 6:14 ` [alsa-devel] " Takashi Iwai
2015-01-15 10:52 ` Mark Brown
2015-01-14 13:01 ` Takashi Iwai
2015-01-14 16:34 ` Mark Brown
2015-01-15 6:21 ` Takashi Iwai
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2015-01-09 11:49 Wang, Jiada (ESD)
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