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From: Daniel Mack <daniel-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	David Herrmann
	<dh.herrmann-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Tom Gundersen <teg-B22kvLQNl6c@public.gmane.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman
	<gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman"
	<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	One Thousand Gnomes
	<gnomes-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz-Umm1ozX2/EEdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Johannes Stezenbach <js-FF7aIK3TAVNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>,
	Theodore T'so <tytso-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>,
	christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/13] kdbus: add documentation
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 19:14:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54C7D573.7080809@zonque.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54C7D0A3.4000900-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

Hi Michael,

On 01/27/2015 06:53 PM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> On 01/27/2015 04:23 PM, David Herrmann wrote:

>> I only expect a handful of users to call the ioctls directly. The
>> libraries that implement the payload-marshaling, in particular. It's a
>> similar situation with netlink.
> 
> Thanks, David, for the clarification. I think it would have been helpful
> to have that more clearly stated up front, especially as some comments 
> in this thread, such as the above, could be interpreted to mean quite 
> the opposite. Can I suggest that some text on this point be added to 
> kdbus.txt?

We're currently working on an a set of comprehensive man pages to
document all the commands in the API, along with every struct, enum etc.
We do that so that developers are able to actually understand every
detail of the API, even though most people - as David explained - will
not use that interface directly in the first place but let one of the
high-level libraries help them integrate D-Bus functionality into their
applications.

If you want, have a look at the upstream repository for a 	preliminary
version of the new docs.


Thanks,
Daniel

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From: Daniel Mack <daniel@zonque.org>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>
Cc: Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>,
	Johannes Stezenbach <js@sig21.net>,
	"Theodore T'so" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/13] kdbus: add documentation
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 19:14:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54C7D573.7080809@zonque.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54C7D0A3.4000900@gmail.com>

Hi Michael,

On 01/27/2015 06:53 PM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> On 01/27/2015 04:23 PM, David Herrmann wrote:

>> I only expect a handful of users to call the ioctls directly. The
>> libraries that implement the payload-marshaling, in particular. It's a
>> similar situation with netlink.
> 
> Thanks, David, for the clarification. I think it would have been helpful
> to have that more clearly stated up front, especially as some comments 
> in this thread, such as the above, could be interpreted to mean quite 
> the opposite. Can I suggest that some text on this point be added to 
> kdbus.txt?

We're currently working on an a set of comprehensive man pages to
document all the commands in the API, along with every struct, enum etc.
We do that so that developers are able to actually understand every
detail of the API, even though most people - as David explained - will
not use that interface directly in the first place but let one of the
high-level libraries help them integrate D-Bus functionality into their
applications.

If you want, have a look at the upstream repository for a 	preliminary
version of the new docs.


Thanks,
Daniel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-01-27 18:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-16 19:16 [PATCH v3 00/13] Add kdbus implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 01/13] kdbus: add documentation Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]   ` <1421435777-25306-2-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 13:53     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-20 13:53       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]       ` <54BE5DC8.70706-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 14:31         ` David Herrmann
2015-01-20 14:31           ` David Herrmann
     [not found]           ` <CANq1E4SjfZOKqTsdkt519vKc1Poeah5McVJBb_spdHjbKv4=7g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 14:42             ` Josh Boyer
2015-01-20 14:42               ` Josh Boyer
     [not found]               ` <CA+5PVA46wVa-L9K1zgHzt=Fwn6YFBYhxJUjiozSH4XBY03WMVw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 14:53                 ` Djalal Harouni
2015-01-20 14:53                   ` Djalal Harouni
2015-01-20 16:08                   ` Johannes Stezenbach
     [not found]                     ` <20150120160842.GA9474-FF7aIK3TAVNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 17:00                       ` David Herrmann
2015-01-20 17:00                         ` David Herrmann
     [not found]                         ` <CANq1E4Q9m7JRXNYFY4okh3brM-kHVoVGOdF_SWjNoNURX930HQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 22:00                           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-20 22:00                             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-21 10:28             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-21 10:28               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-20 18:23         ` Daniel Mack
2015-01-20 18:23           ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]           ` <54BE9D08.7010804-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 10:32             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-21 10:32               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]               ` <54BF805B.4000609-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 15:19                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-01-21 15:19                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-01-21 16:58                 ` Daniel Mack
2015-01-21 16:58                   ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]                   ` <54BFDAAA.50203-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-22 10:18                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-22 10:18                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                       ` <54C0CE8A.5080805-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-22 13:46                         ` David Herrmann
2015-01-22 13:46                           ` David Herrmann
2015-01-22 14:49                           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-01-23 16:08                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                               ` <20150123160854.GA5210-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-26 14:46                                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-26 14:46                                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                                   ` <54C65346.5070504-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-27 15:05                                     ` David Herrmann
2015-01-27 15:05                                       ` David Herrmann
     [not found]                                       ` <CANq1E4SkHhs1pWUe-TzG7bzk1M-Q++mB2vmQGuYx0RMF53wg4Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-27 16:03                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-01-27 16:03                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                           ` <CALCETrU1O6LjhrXSH2aXWFt2WGh=ssrq4K9HD10f_Z55iT=Otw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-29  8:53                                             ` Daniel Mack
2015-01-29  8:53                                               ` Daniel Mack
2015-01-29 11:25                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-01-29 11:42                                                 ` Daniel Mack
2015-01-29 12:09                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                     ` <CALCETrXD41=ohFSkCmBD8zPHFVUtr49QXMhYnChAxqQtmUjJYw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-02  9:34                                                       ` Daniel Mack
2015-02-02  9:34                                                         ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]                                                         ` <54CF44B9.8000005-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-02 20:12                                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-02 20:12                                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                             ` <CALCETrUh1Mse4CBQ4bfkJf+ew=kdpn46hMLS2QafLhfRTzQoBQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-03 10:09                                                               ` Daniel Mack
2015-02-03 10:09                                                                 ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]                                                                 ` <54D09E6B.2020903-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-04  0:41                                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-04  0:41                                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                                     ` <CALCETrV_q9Y4OWC6fA78WsD+XFhsdGHrqH6OK-hc=Vvj2F5C5w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-04  2:47                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-02-04  2:47                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                                         ` <87siemgzoo.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-04  3:14                                                                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-02-04  3:14                                                                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                                                                             ` <20150204031437.GB32207-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-04  6:30                                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-02-04  6:30                                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-02-04 23:03                                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-04 23:03                                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-05  0:16                                                                     ` David Herrmann
     [not found]                                                                       ` <CANq1E4ShseFuTp0wPrHM9mFmgA-y9Kqz1m0-FmU9qALuxQ8Qvg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-08 16:54                                                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-08 16:54                                                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-01-27 18:03                                         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-27 18:03                                           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                           ` <CANq1E4S=3qNw599L85uj-8aXwxeV+mcurB_Nu_rHH8opAeePjw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-23 11:47                             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-23 11:47                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-23 15:54                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-23 15:54                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                           ` <20150123155402.GB2159-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-26 14:42                             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-26 14:42                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-26 15:26                               ` Tom Gundersen
     [not found]                                 ` <CAG-2HqUCZjc4Ucc-L21uG6e-di4UcLJAT5mW_-5-c-uqmoJyzA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-26 16:44                                   ` christoph Hellwig
2015-01-26 16:44                                     ` christoph Hellwig
2015-01-26 16:45                                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-27 15:23                                   ` David Herrmann
2015-01-27 17:53                                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                                       ` <54C7D0A3.4000900-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-27 18:14                                         ` Daniel Mack [this message]
2015-01-27 18:14                                           ` Daniel Mack
2015-01-28 10:46                                           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-20 13:58     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-20 13:58       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-20 17:50       ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]         ` <54BE957A.60305-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21  8:57           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-21  8:57             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-21  9:07             ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]       ` <54BE5F1F.8070703-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21  9:07         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-21  9:07           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]           ` <54BF6C67.7090909-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21  9:12             ` Daniel Mack
2015-01-21  9:12               ` Daniel Mack
2015-01-23  6:28     ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2015-01-23  6:28       ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2015-01-23 13:19       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]         ` <20150123131946.GA26302-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-23 13:29           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-23 13:29             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-25  3:30           ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2015-01-25  3:30             ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 02/13] kdbus: add header file Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 04/13] kdbus: add connection pool implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 06/13] kdbus: add node and filesystem implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 07/13] kdbus: add code to gather metadata Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 08/13] kdbus: add code for notifications and matches Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 10/13] kdbus: add name registry implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16 ` [PATCH 13/13] kdbus: add selftests Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found] ` <1421435777-25306-1-git-send-email-gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-16 19:16   ` [PATCH 03/13] kdbus: add driver skeleton, ioctl entry points and utility functions Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16   ` [PATCH 05/13] kdbus: add connection, queue handling and message validation code Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16   ` [PATCH 09/13] kdbus: add code for buses, domains and endpoints Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16   ` [PATCH 11/13] kdbus: add policy database implementation Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16   ` [PATCH 12/13] kdbus: add Makefile, Kconfig and MAINTAINERS entry Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 19:16     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-16 22:07   ` [PATCH v3 00/13] Add kdbus implementation Josh Boyer
2015-01-16 22:07     ` Josh Boyer
2015-01-16 22:18     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]       ` <20150116221824.GA512-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-17  0:26         ` Daniel Mack
2015-01-17  0:26           ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]           ` <54B9AC3E.9070105-cYrQPVfZoowdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-17  0:41             ` Josh Boyer
2015-01-17  0:41               ` Josh Boyer
2015-01-19 18:06   ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-19 18:06     ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-19 18:38     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]       ` <20150119183806.GA8479-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-19 20:19         ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-19 20:19           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-19 20:31           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]             ` <20150119203155.GA15441-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-19 23:38               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-19 23:38                 ` Johannes Stezenbach
     [not found]                 ` <20150119233812.GA1874-FF7aIK3TAVNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20  1:13                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-20  1:13                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-20 10:57                     ` Johannes Stezenbach
     [not found]                       ` <20150120105712.GA6260-FF7aIK3TAVNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 11:26                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-01-20 11:26                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                           ` <20150120112609.GA17198-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 13:24                             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-20 13:24                               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-20 14:12                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                     ` <20150120011359.GE865-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-26 21:32                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-26 21:32                         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-19 18:33   ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-19 18:33     ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-01-20 14:05   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-20 14:05     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-20 14:15 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)

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