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From: Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
	Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>
Cc: "'Christoph Hellwig'" <hch@infradead.org>,
	Sagi Grimberg <sagig@dev.mellanox.co.il>,
	Steve Wise <swise@opengridcomputing.com>,
	sagig@mellanox.com, ogerlitz@mellanox.com, roid@mellanox.com,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, eli@mellanox.com,
	target-devel@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
	trond.myklebust@primarydata.com, bfields@fieldses.org,
	Oren Duer <oren@mellanox.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 1/5] RDMA/core: Transport-independent access flags
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:33:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55A04845.7040004@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150710195420.GA31500@obsidianresearch.com>

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On 07/10/2015 03:54 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 02:42:45PM -0400, Tom Talpey wrote:
> 
>>>> For the proposed iSER patch the problem is very acute, iser makes a
>>>> single PD and phys MR at boot time for each device. This means there
>>>> is a single machine wide unchanging rkey that allows remote physical
>>>> memory access. An attacker only has to repeatedly open QPs to iSER and
>>>> guess rkey values until they find it. Add in likely non-crypto
>>>> randomness for rkeys, and I bet it isn't even that hard to do.
>>
>> The rkeys have a PD, wich cannot be forged, so it's not a matter of
>> attacking, but it is most definitely a system integrity risk, as I
>> mentioned earlier, a simple arithmetic offset mistake can overwrite
>> anything.
> 
> Can you explain this conclusion?

I think Tom's comment was referring to the fact that if you have a
trusted client, then a third party attacker can't attack your rkey
because they wouldn't have a QP in your PD and so the rkey would be
invalid for them.  Your arguments have been centered around a malicious
client, his presumed a trusted client and malicious third party.


-- 
Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>
              GPG KeyID: 0E572FDD



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From: Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe
	<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>,
	Tom Talpey <tom-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: 'Christoph Hellwig' <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Sagi Grimberg
	<sagig-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>,
	Steve Wise
	<swise-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>,
	sagig-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org,
	ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org,
	roid-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org,
	linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	eli-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org,
	target-devel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	trond.myklebust-7I+n7zu2hftEKMMhf/gKZA@public.gmane.org,
	bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org,
	Oren Duer <oren-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 1/5] RDMA/core: Transport-independent access flags
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:33:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55A04845.7040004@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150710195420.GA31500-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>

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On 07/10/2015 03:54 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 02:42:45PM -0400, Tom Talpey wrote:
> 
>>>> For the proposed iSER patch the problem is very acute, iser makes a
>>>> single PD and phys MR at boot time for each device. This means there
>>>> is a single machine wide unchanging rkey that allows remote physical
>>>> memory access. An attacker only has to repeatedly open QPs to iSER and
>>>> guess rkey values until they find it. Add in likely non-crypto
>>>> randomness for rkeys, and I bet it isn't even that hard to do.
>>
>> The rkeys have a PD, wich cannot be forged, so it's not a matter of
>> attacking, but it is most definitely a system integrity risk, as I
>> mentioned earlier, a simple arithmetic offset mistake can overwrite
>> anything.
> 
> Can you explain this conclusion?

I think Tom's comment was referring to the fact that if you have a
trusted client, then a third party attacker can't attack your rkey
because they wouldn't have a QP in your PD and so the rkey would be
invalid for them.  Your arguments have been centered around a malicious
client, his presumed a trusted client and malicious third party.


-- 
Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
              GPG KeyID: 0E572FDD



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-10 22:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 223+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-05 23:21 [PATCH V3 0/5] Transport-independent MRs Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22 ` [PATCH V3 1/5] RDMA/core: Transport-independent access flags Steve Wise
2015-07-06  5:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-06 14:23     ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 14:23       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07  8:58       ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-06  7:09   ` Haggai Eran
2015-07-06  7:09     ` Haggai Eran
2015-07-06 14:29     ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 14:29       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 14:17     ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 14:17       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 14:34       ` Haggai Eran
2015-07-07 14:34         ` Haggai Eran
2015-07-07 14:46         ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 14:46           ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 15:07           ` Haggai Eran
2015-07-07 15:07             ` Haggai Eran
2015-07-06  7:53   ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-06  7:53     ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-06 14:37     ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 14:37       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 16:17       ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-06 16:17         ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-06 16:55         ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 16:55           ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07  9:00         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-07  9:14           ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-07  9:14             ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-07 14:05             ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 14:05               ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 16:17               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-07 16:17                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-07 16:27                 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-07 16:27                   ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-07 21:36                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-07 21:36                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-08  7:29                     ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-08  8:13                       ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08  8:13                         ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08 10:05                         ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-08 10:05                           ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-08 10:20                           ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08 10:20                             ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08 11:08                             ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-08 11:08                               ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-08 17:14                               ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-08 17:14                                 ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-09  8:46                                 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-09 13:52                                   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-10 19:34                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-12  7:49                                       ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-13 16:50                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14  8:06                                           ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 12:24                                             ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 12:24                                               ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 13:21                                               ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 13:21                                                 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-23  0:43                                               ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-23  0:43                                                 ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-08 19:08                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-08 20:32                         ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08 20:32                           ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08 20:37                           ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08 20:37                             ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-09  0:03                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-09  8:00                             ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-09  8:00                               ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-09  8:58                             ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-09  8:58                               ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-09 22:18                             ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-09 22:18                               ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-09 22:53                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-09 22:53                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 13:22                                 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-10 16:11                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 16:11                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 17:56                                     ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-10 18:34                                       ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-10 18:42                                       ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-10 19:54                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 19:54                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 20:48                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 22:33                                           ` Doug Ledford [this message]
2015-07-10 22:33                                             ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-11 10:17                                           ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-11 10:17                                             ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-13 16:57                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-13 16:57                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14  7:25                                               ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14  9:05                                                 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 15:35                                                   ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 17:26                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-15  7:10                                                     ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-15  7:10                                                       ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-10 22:30                                         ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-10 22:30                                           ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-10 20:57                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 22:27                                         ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-10 22:27                                           ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                                           ` <20150710233417.GA8919@obsidianresearch.com>
2015-07-11  3:10                                             ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-11  3:10                                               ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-13 17:18                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-13 17:18                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-13 22:23                                                 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-11 16:37                                     ` Steve Wise
2015-07-12 10:46                                       ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-12 10:46                                         ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 19:25                                         ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 19:25                                           ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 19:29                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 19:32                                             ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 19:32                                               ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 19:37                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 19:55                                               ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 19:55                                                 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 20:10                                                 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:10                                                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:29                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:29                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:40                                                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:40                                                     ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:44                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:44                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:54                                                       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:54                                                         ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:59                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:59                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:50                                                   ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 20:50                                                     ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-15  6:50                                                   ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-15 19:12                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-15 19:12                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-16  6:41                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-16  6:41                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-16  8:04                                                       ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-16  8:04                                                         ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-16 16:13                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-16 16:13                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-15  8:47                                                   ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-15  8:47                                                     ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-15 12:19                                                     ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-15 12:19                                                       ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-15 19:17                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-15 19:17                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:46                                               ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 19:45                                           ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 19:57                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 19:57                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 19:58                                             ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 19:58                                               ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:41                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:41                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:51                                                 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:51                                                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 21:01                                                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 21:01                                                     ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 21:14                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 21:14                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-23 18:53                                               ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-23 18:53                                                 ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-23 19:03                                                 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-23 19:03                                                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-23 23:30                                                   ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-23 23:30                                                     ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-23 23:53                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-23 23:53                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-24  0:18                                                       ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-24  0:18                                                         ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-24  4:46                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-09  8:47                           ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-09  8:47                             ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-08 21:38                         ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-08 23:36                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-09 11:02                             ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-09 17:01                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-09 17:01                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-09 20:00                                 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-09 21:16                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20150709170142.GA21921-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-10  8:55                                   ` kernel memory registration (was: RDMA/core: Transport-independent access flags) Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                     ` <559F8881.7070308-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-10 16:35                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-11 10:31                                       ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
     [not found]                                         ` <20150711103153.GC14741-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-13 16:46                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                             ` <20150713164652.GC23832-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14  8:24                                               ` kernel memory registration Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                                 ` <55A4C73A.7080001-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 17:24                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-11 10:25                                 ` [PATCH V3 1/5] RDMA/core: Transport-independent access flags 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-13 16:35                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-13 19:36                                   ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-13 20:15                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14  9:10                                       ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14  9:10                                         ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 15:36                                         ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 15:36                                           ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 15:47                                           ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 15:47                                             ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 16:22                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 16:22                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14  7:37                                     ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14  9:22                                       ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 12:12                                         ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 12:12                                           ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 13:23                                           ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 14:45                                         ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 14:45                                           ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 15:40                                         ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 15:40                                           ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08  8:11               ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-06  7:58   ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-06  7:58     ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-06 14:39     ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 14:39       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22 ` [PATCH V3 2/5] RDMA/iser: Use transport independent MR allocation Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22 ` [PATCH V3 3/5] RDMA/isert: " Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22 ` [PATCH V3 4/5] svcrdma: " Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22 ` [PATCH V3 5/5] xprtrdma: " Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06  5:25 ` [PATCH V3 0/5] Transport-independent MRs Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-06  5:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-06 14:24   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 14:24     ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07  9:01     ` 'Christoph Hellwig'

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