From: Sagi Grimberg <sagig@dev.mellanox.co.il>
To: Steve Wise <swise@ogc.us>,
Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>, Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Steve Wise <swise@opengridcomputing.com>,
"sagig@mellanox.com" <sagig@mellanox.com>,
"ogerlitz@mellanox.com" <ogerlitz@mellanox.com>,
"roid@mellanox.com" <roid@mellanox.com>,
"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
"eli@mellanox.com" <eli@mellanox.com>,
"target-devel@vger.kernel.org" <target-devel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
"trond.myklebust@primarydata.com"
<trond.myklebust@primarydata.com>,
"bfields@fieldses.org" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
Oren Duer <oren@mellanox.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 1/5] RDMA/core: Transport-independent access flags
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 13:46:09 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <55A24571.60902@dev.mellanox.co.il> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CCB6E837-88FF-4DBB-976D-4CF56396A1A1@ogc.us>
On 7/11/2015 7:37 PM, Steve Wise wrote:
>
>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 09:22:24AM -0400, Tom Talpey wrote:
>>> and it is enabled only when the RDMA Read is active.
>>
>> ??? How is that done? ib_get_dma_mr is defined to return a remote
>> usable rkey that is valid from when it it returns until the MR is
>> destroyed. NFS creates one mr early on, it does not seem to make one
>> per RDMA READ?
>>
>> For the proposed iSER patch the problem is very acute, iser makes a
>> single PD and phys MR at boot time for each device. This means there
>> is a single machine wide unchanging rkey that allows remote physical
>> memory access. An attacker only has to repeatedly open QPs to iSER and
>> guess rkey values until they find it. Add in likely non-crypto
>> randomness for rkeys, and I bet it isn't even that hard to do.
>>
>> So this seems to be a catastrophic security failing.
>>
>>>> From there, it is a logical wish: If Steve is going to FRMR'ize iSER
>>>> to be acceptable security wise, I'd rather see that work done on in a
>>>> general way. Hence the API discussion.
>>>
>>> Well, it's important to realize that NFS already does the Right Thing.
>>> So it isn't actually an urgent issue. There is time to discuss.
>>
>> It depends on what is going on with iWarp iSER. If the iWarp community
>> thinks it should go ahead insecurely then fine, put a giant warning in
>> dmesg and go ahead, otherwise iWarp needs to address this difference
>> with a proper generic API, which appears, must wrapper
>> ib_post_send. Harder job :\
>>
>> I'm sorry Steve for leading you down the wrong path with these flags,
>> I did not fully realize exactly what the iWarp difference was at the
>> start :(
>>
>> Jason
>
>
> No problem. I'll work on iSER target FRMRs and repost the iSER series.
>
> Sagi, right now isert only uses FRMRs along with signature mrs. I'll need to separate the two, I think. Does that sound right?
Yea.
Given that FRWR takes extra HW (and memory) resources, it
should probably be:
if (signature support || iwarp)
use FRMR
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From: Sagi Grimberg <sagig-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
To: Steve Wise <swise-/Yg/VP3ZvrM@public.gmane.org>,
Jason Gunthorpe
<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Tom Talpey <tom-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
Steve Wise
<swise-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>,
"sagig-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org"
<sagig-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
"ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org"
<ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
"roid-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org"
<roid-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
"linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
<linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
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<eli-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
"target-devel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
<target-devel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
"linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
<linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
"trond.myklebust-7I+n7zu2hftEKMMhf/gKZA@public.gmane.org"
<trond.myklebust-7I+n7zu2hftEKMMhf/gKZA@public.gmane.org>,
"bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org"
<bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
Oren Duer <oren-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 1/5] RDMA/core: Transport-independent access flags
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 13:46:09 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <55A24571.60902@dev.mellanox.co.il> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CCB6E837-88FF-4DBB-976D-4CF56396A1A1-/Yg/VP3ZvrM@public.gmane.org>
On 7/11/2015 7:37 PM, Steve Wise wrote:
>
>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 09:22:24AM -0400, Tom Talpey wrote:
>>> and it is enabled only when the RDMA Read is active.
>>
>> ??? How is that done? ib_get_dma_mr is defined to return a remote
>> usable rkey that is valid from when it it returns until the MR is
>> destroyed. NFS creates one mr early on, it does not seem to make one
>> per RDMA READ?
>>
>> For the proposed iSER patch the problem is very acute, iser makes a
>> single PD and phys MR at boot time for each device. This means there
>> is a single machine wide unchanging rkey that allows remote physical
>> memory access. An attacker only has to repeatedly open QPs to iSER and
>> guess rkey values until they find it. Add in likely non-crypto
>> randomness for rkeys, and I bet it isn't even that hard to do.
>>
>> So this seems to be a catastrophic security failing.
>>
>>>> From there, it is a logical wish: If Steve is going to FRMR'ize iSER
>>>> to be acceptable security wise, I'd rather see that work done on in a
>>>> general way. Hence the API discussion.
>>>
>>> Well, it's important to realize that NFS already does the Right Thing.
>>> So it isn't actually an urgent issue. There is time to discuss.
>>
>> It depends on what is going on with iWarp iSER. If the iWarp community
>> thinks it should go ahead insecurely then fine, put a giant warning in
>> dmesg and go ahead, otherwise iWarp needs to address this difference
>> with a proper generic API, which appears, must wrapper
>> ib_post_send. Harder job :\
>>
>> I'm sorry Steve for leading you down the wrong path with these flags,
>> I did not fully realize exactly what the iWarp difference was at the
>> start :(
>>
>> Jason
>
>
> No problem. I'll work on iSER target FRMRs and repost the iSER series.
>
> Sagi, right now isert only uses FRMRs along with signature mrs. I'll need to separate the two, I think. Does that sound right?
Yea.
Given that FRWR takes extra HW (and memory) resources, it
should probably be:
if (signature support || iwarp)
use FRMR
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2015-07-05 23:21 [PATCH V3 0/5] Transport-independent MRs Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22 ` [PATCH V3 1/5] RDMA/core: Transport-independent access flags Steve Wise
2015-07-06 5:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-06 14:23 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 14:23 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 8:58 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-06 7:09 ` Haggai Eran
2015-07-06 7:09 ` Haggai Eran
2015-07-06 14:29 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 14:29 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 14:17 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 14:17 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 14:34 ` Haggai Eran
2015-07-07 14:34 ` Haggai Eran
2015-07-07 14:46 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 14:46 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 15:07 ` Haggai Eran
2015-07-07 15:07 ` Haggai Eran
2015-07-06 7:53 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-06 7:53 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-06 14:37 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 14:37 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 16:17 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-06 16:17 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-06 16:55 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 16:55 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 9:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-07 9:14 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-07 9:14 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-07 14:05 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 14:05 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 16:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-07 16:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-07 16:27 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-07 16:27 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-07 21:36 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-07 21:36 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-08 7:29 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-08 8:13 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08 8:13 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08 10:05 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-08 10:05 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-08 10:20 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08 10:20 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08 11:08 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-08 11:08 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-08 17:14 ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-08 17:14 ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-09 8:46 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-09 13:52 ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-10 19:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-12 7:49 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-13 16:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 8:06 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 12:24 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 12:24 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 13:21 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 13:21 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-23 0:43 ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-23 0:43 ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-08 19:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-08 20:32 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08 20:32 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08 20:37 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08 20:37 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-09 0:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-09 8:00 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-09 8:00 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-09 8:58 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-09 8:58 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-09 22:18 ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-09 22:18 ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-09 22:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-09 22:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 13:22 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-10 16:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 16:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 17:56 ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-10 18:34 ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-10 18:42 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-10 19:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 19:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 20:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 22:33 ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-10 22:33 ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-11 10:17 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-11 10:17 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-13 16:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-13 16:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 7:25 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 9:05 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 15:35 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 17:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-15 7:10 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-15 7:10 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-10 22:30 ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-10 22:30 ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-10 20:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 22:27 ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-10 22:27 ` Doug Ledford
[not found] ` <20150710233417.GA8919@obsidianresearch.com>
2015-07-11 3:10 ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-11 3:10 ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-13 17:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-13 17:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-13 22:23 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-11 16:37 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-12 10:46 ` Sagi Grimberg [this message]
2015-07-12 10:46 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 19:25 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 19:25 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 19:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 19:32 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 19:32 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 19:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 19:55 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 19:55 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 20:10 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:10 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:40 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:40 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:54 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:54 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:50 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 20:50 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-15 6:50 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-15 19:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-15 19:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-16 6:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-16 6:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-16 8:04 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-16 8:04 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-16 16:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-16 16:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-15 8:47 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-15 8:47 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-15 12:19 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-15 12:19 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-15 19:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-15 19:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:46 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 19:45 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 19:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 19:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 19:58 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 19:58 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:51 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:51 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 21:01 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 21:01 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 21:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 21:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-23 18:53 ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-23 18:53 ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-23 19:03 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-23 19:03 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-23 23:30 ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-23 23:30 ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-23 23:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-23 23:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-24 0:18 ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-24 0:18 ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-24 4:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-09 8:47 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-09 8:47 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-08 21:38 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-08 23:36 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-09 11:02 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-09 17:01 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-09 17:01 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-09 20:00 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-09 21:16 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20150709170142.GA21921-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-10 8:55 ` kernel memory registration (was: RDMA/core: Transport-independent access flags) Sagi Grimberg
[not found] ` <559F8881.7070308-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-10 16:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-11 10:31 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
[not found] ` <20150711103153.GC14741-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-13 16:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20150713164652.GC23832-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 8:24 ` kernel memory registration Sagi Grimberg
[not found] ` <55A4C73A.7080001-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 17:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-11 10:25 ` [PATCH V3 1/5] RDMA/core: Transport-independent access flags 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-13 16:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-13 19:36 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-13 20:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 9:10 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 9:10 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 15:36 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 15:36 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 15:47 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 15:47 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 16:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 16:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 7:37 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 9:22 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 12:12 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 12:12 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 13:23 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 14:45 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 14:45 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 15:40 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 15:40 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08 8:11 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-06 7:58 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-06 7:58 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-06 14:39 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 14:39 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22 ` [PATCH V3 2/5] RDMA/iser: Use transport independent MR allocation Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22 ` [PATCH V3 3/5] RDMA/isert: " Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22 ` [PATCH V3 4/5] svcrdma: " Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22 ` [PATCH V3 5/5] xprtrdma: " Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 5:25 ` [PATCH V3 0/5] Transport-independent MRs Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-06 5:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-06 14:24 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 14:24 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 9:01 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
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