Gmail thinks most alsa-devel mail is spam

Gmail thinks most alsa-devel mail is spam

[Timur Tabi]

Hi,

I use gmail to subscribe to Linux mailing lists, and most of the mail to 
alsa-devel ends up in the spam folder.  According to gmail, the reason is:

"Why is this message in Spam? It is in violation of Google's recommended 
email sender guidelines."

and then it tell me to look here:

https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126?hl=en#authentication

Is this something that can be fixed?  It's really annoying have to check 
my spam folder every day to fish out messages from alsa-devel.

Re: Gmail thinks most alsa-devel mail is spam

[Caleb Crome]

Hi Timur,
   Very interesting. I checked myself, and I get almost all the alsa
emails without them going to spam. (I'm using gmail too).  However, 2
specifically did end up in spam:

[alsa-devel] [PATCH 0/3] ASoC: dapm: add PGA kcontrol, dai_link enhancement &

and

[alsa-devel] Driver for audio power amplifier ICs?


I updated my filter so it will never go to spam:

In gmail go to

   settings->Filters and blocked Addresses->Create New Filter

Subject = [alsa-devel]

Then, "Create Filter With This Search"

Then "Apply The Label" = alsa
and tick the box that says, "Never send it to Spam"
and the box that says, "Also apply this filter to matching conversations"

That should get you out of the check-spam loop.

-Caleb






On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 5:21 AM, Timur Tabi <timur@tabi.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I use gmail to subscribe to Linux mailing lists, and most of the mail to
> alsa-devel ends up in the spam folder.  According to gmail, the reason is:
>
> "Why is this message in Spam? It is in violation of Google's recommended
> email sender guidelines."
>
> and then it tell me to look here:
>
> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126?hl=en#authentication
>
> Is this something that can be fixed?  It's really annoying have to check my
> spam folder every day to fish out messages from alsa-devel.
> _______________________________________________
> Alsa-devel mailing list
> Alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
> http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel

Re: Gmail thinks most alsa-devel mail is spam

[Timur Tabi]

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Caleb Crome <caleb@crome.org> wrote:

> In gmail go to
>
>    settings->Filters and blocked Addresses->Create New Filter
>
> Subject = [alsa-devel]
>
> Then, "Create Filter With This Search"
>
> Then "Apply The Label" = alsa
> and tick the box that says, "Never send it to Spam"

All that does is disable the spam filter completely for alsa-devel,
which means I'll get more spam.  Then I will have to scan my
alsa-devel folder to remove actual spam, which is more difficult than
fishing out legitimate mail from the spam folder.

Re: Gmail thinks most alsa-devel mail is spam

[Takashi Iwai]

On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 00:44:39 +0200,
Timur Tabi wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Caleb Crome <caleb@crome.org> wrote:
> 
> > In gmail go to
> >
> >    settings->Filters and blocked Addresses->Create New Filter
> >
> > Subject = [alsa-devel]
> >
> > Then, "Create Filter With This Search"
> >
> > Then "Apply The Label" = alsa
> > and tick the box that says, "Never send it to Spam"
> 
> All that does is disable the spam filter completely for alsa-devel,
> which means I'll get more spam.  Then I will have to scan my
> alsa-devel folder to remove actual spam, which is more difficult than
> fishing out legitimate mail from the spam folder.

Did you actually get any spam related with alsa-devel?  It's basically
a subscribers-only ML.


Takashi

Re: Gmail thinks most alsa-devel mail is spam

[Timur Tabi]

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Caleb Crome <caleb@crome.org> wrote:

> In gmail go to
>
>    settings->Filters and blocked Addresses->Create New Filter
>
> Subject = [alsa-devel]
>
> Then, "Create Filter With This Search"
>
> Then "Apply The Label" = alsa
> and tick the box that says, "Never send it to Spam"

All that does is disable the spam filter completely for alsa-devel,
which means I'll get more spam.  Then I will have to scan my
alsa-devel folder to remove actual spam, which is more difficult than
fishing out legitimate mail from the spam folder.

Fwd: Re: Gmail thinks most alsa-devel mail is spam

[A. C. Censi]

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "A. C. Censi" <accensi@gmail.com>
Date: Oct 21, 2015 22:50
Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] Gmail thinks most alsa-devel mail is spam
To: "Timur Tabi" <timur@tabi.org>
Cc:

I have the same problem and not only with gmail, but my company server does
the same check

Probably the misclassification is due to:

- Keep valid reverse DNS records for the IP address(es) from which you send
mail, pointing to your domain.

>From the source one email misclassified:

Received: by 10.107.154.1 with SMTP id c1csp256822ioe;
        Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:55:10 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 10.194.216.228 with SMTP id ot4mr13139641wjc.156.1445460910180;
        Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:55:10 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org>
Received: from alsa0.perex.cz ([2002:4d30:e0f1:1:5054:ff:fe8b:a8f0])
        by mx.google.com with ESMTP id kb1si14026248wjc.16.2015.10.21.13.55.09;
        Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:55:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2002:4d30:e0f1:1:5054:ff:fe8b:a8f0
is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of
alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org)
client-ip=2002:4d30:e0f1:1:5054:ff:fe8b:a8f0;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
       spf=neutral (google.com: 2002:4d30:e0f1:1:5054:ff:fe8b:a8f0 is
neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of
alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org)
smtp.mailfrom=alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org
Received: by alsa0.perex.cz (Postfix, from userid 1000)
	id 782D52667C3; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 22:55:09 +0200 (CEST)


An correct email fom linux-fs-devel list:

Received: by 10.107.154.1 with SMTP id c1csp276010ioe;
        Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:43:58 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 10.66.147.74 with SMTP id ti10mr13215193pab.88.1445463838506;
        Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:43:58 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <linux-fsdevel-owner@vger.kernel.org>
Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67])
        by mx.google.com with ESMTP id qp7si1236731pbc.93.2015.10.21.14.43.44;
        Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:43:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of
linux-fsdevel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as
permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
       spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of
linux-fsdevel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as
permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-fsdevel-owner@vger.kernel.org

To solve adjust the DNS for the reverse entry and PTR record.

ACC


On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Timur Tabi <timur@tabi.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Caleb Crome <caleb@crome.org> wrote:
>
> > In gmail go to
> >
> >    settings->Filters and blocked Addresses->Create New Filter
> >
> > Subject = [alsa-devel]
> >
> > Then, "Create Filter With This Search"
> >
> > Then "Apply The Label" = alsa
> > and tick the box that says, "Never send it to Spam"
>
> All that does is disable the spam filter completely for alsa-devel,
> which means I'll get more spam.  Then I will have to scan my
> alsa-devel folder to remove actual spam, which is more difficult than
> fishing out legitimate mail from the spam folder.
> _______________________________________________
> Alsa-devel mailing list
> Alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
> http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel
>



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Re: Fwd: Re: Gmail thinks most alsa-devel mail is spam

[Jaroslav Kysela]

Dne 22.10.2015 v 03:55 A. C. Censi napsal(a):

> I have the same problem and not only with gmail, but my company server does
> the same check
> 
> Probably the misclassification is due to:
> 
> - Keep valid reverse DNS records for the IP address(es) from which you send
> mail, pointing to your domain.

> Received: from alsa0.perex.cz ([2002:4d30:e0f1:1:5054:ff:fe8b:a8f0])

OK. The outgoing e-mails should be from IPv4 now which has registered
reverse DNS record. You may check.

					Jaroslav

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Linux Sound Maintainer; ALSA Project; Red Hat, Inc.

Re: Fwd: Re: Gmail thinks most alsa-devel mail is spam

[A. C. Censi]

Jaroslav

We are still getting alsa-dev email classiified as possible by gmail and
others.

It seems that your DNS entries still misses a PTR record. You can check
with digweb
http://www.digwebinterface.com/?hostnames=2002%3A4d30%3Ae0f1%3A1%3A5054%3Aff%3Afe8b%3Aa8f0%0D%0A&type=Reverse&useresolver=8.8.4.4&ns=all&nameservers=

or dnsquery.org
...
We've got referrals (ns1.bravonet.cz., ns2.dkm.cz.) from queries on
previous step. We'll query them now, until we got an authoritative result
153.67 msns1.bravonet.cz. [77.48.224.1] (Dubne, Jihocesky Kraj, Czech
Republic)
;;Authority
224.48.77.in-addr.arpa. 86400 undefined NS ns1.bravonet.cz.
224.48.77.in-addr.arpa. 86400 undefined NS ns2.dkm.cz.
;;Answer
243.224.48.77.in-addr.arpa. 86400 undefined PTR alsa0.perex.cz
;;Additional
ns1.bravonet.cz. 86400 undefined A 77.48.224.1

We got authoritative results from ns1.bravonet.cz.


Thanks

A C Censi

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Timur Tabi <timur@codeaurora.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 2:43 AM, Jaroslav Kysela <perex@perex.cz> wrote:
> >
> > OK. The outgoing e-mails should be from IPv4 now which has registered
> > reverse DNS record. You may check.
>
> It doesn't appear to be working.  I still get lots of alsa-devel posts
> in my Spam folder, with the same reason.
>
> Received: from alsa0.perex.cz (alsa0.perex.cz. [77.48.224.243])
>         by mx.google.com with ESMTP id
> qo10si41235490wjc.143.2015.10.26.17.34.56;
>         Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:34:56 -0700 (PDT)
>
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