From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
mhocko@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
mgorman@suse.de, rientjes@google.com, hillf.zj@alibaba-inc.com,
kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:44:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <568D0C10.1090504@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201512282313.DHE87075.OSLJOFOtMVQHFF@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
On 12/28/2015 03:13 PM, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Tetsuo Handa wrote:
>> Tetsuo Handa wrote:
>> > I got OOM killers while running heavy disk I/O (extracting kernel source,
>> > running lxr's genxref command). (Environ: 4 CPUs / 2048MB RAM / no swap / XFS)
>> > Do you think these OOM killers reasonable? Too weak against fragmentation?
>>
>> Since I cannot establish workload that caused December 24's natural OOM
>> killers, I used the following stressor for generating similar situation.
>>
>
> I came to feel that I am observing a different problem which is currently
> hidden behind the "too small to fail" memory-allocation rule. That is, tasks
> requesting order > 0 pages are continuously losing the competition when
> tasks requesting order = 0 pages dominate, for reclaimed pages are stolen
> by tasks requesting order = 0 pages before reclaimed pages are combined to
> order > 0 pages (or maybe order > 0 pages are immediately split into
> order = 0 pages due to tasks requesting order = 0 pages).
Hm I would expect that as long as there are some reserves left that your
reproducer cannot grab, there are some free pages left and the allocator should
thus preserve the order-2 pages that combine, since order-0 allocations will get
existing order-0 pages before splitting higher orders. Compaction should also be
able to successfully combine order-2 without racing allocators thanks to per-cpu
caching (but I'd have to check).
So I think the problem is not higher-order page itself, but that order-2 needs 4
pages and thus needs to pass a bit higher watermark, thus being at disadvantage
to order-0 allocations. Thus I would expect the order-2 pages to be there, but
not available for allocation due to watermarks.
> Currently, order <= PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER allocations implicitly retry
> unless chosen by the OOM killer. Therefore, even if tasks requesting
> order = 2 pages lost the competition when there are tasks requesting
> order = 0 pages, the order = 2 allocation request is implicitly retried
> and therefore the OOM killer is not invoked (though there is a problem that
> tasks requesting order > 0 allocation will stall as long as tasks requesting
> order = 0 pages dominate).
>
> But this patchset introduced a limit of 16 retries. Thus, if tasks requesting
> order = 2 pages lost the competition for 16 times due to tasks requesting
> order = 0 pages, tasks requesting order = 2 pages invoke the OOM killer.
> To avoid the OOM killer, we need to make sure that pages reclaimed for
> order > 0 allocations will not be stolen by tasks requesting order = 0
> allocations.
>
> Is my feeling plausible?
>
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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
mhocko@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
mgorman@suse.de, rientjes@google.com, hillf.zj@alibaba-inc.com,
kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:44:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <568D0C10.1090504@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201512282313.DHE87075.OSLJOFOtMVQHFF@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
On 12/28/2015 03:13 PM, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Tetsuo Handa wrote:
>> Tetsuo Handa wrote:
>> > I got OOM killers while running heavy disk I/O (extracting kernel source,
>> > running lxr's genxref command). (Environ: 4 CPUs / 2048MB RAM / no swap / XFS)
>> > Do you think these OOM killers reasonable? Too weak against fragmentation?
>>
>> Since I cannot establish workload that caused December 24's natural OOM
>> killers, I used the following stressor for generating similar situation.
>>
>
> I came to feel that I am observing a different problem which is currently
> hidden behind the "too small to fail" memory-allocation rule. That is, tasks
> requesting order > 0 pages are continuously losing the competition when
> tasks requesting order = 0 pages dominate, for reclaimed pages are stolen
> by tasks requesting order = 0 pages before reclaimed pages are combined to
> order > 0 pages (or maybe order > 0 pages are immediately split into
> order = 0 pages due to tasks requesting order = 0 pages).
Hm I would expect that as long as there are some reserves left that your
reproducer cannot grab, there are some free pages left and the allocator should
thus preserve the order-2 pages that combine, since order-0 allocations will get
existing order-0 pages before splitting higher orders. Compaction should also be
able to successfully combine order-2 without racing allocators thanks to per-cpu
caching (but I'd have to check).
So I think the problem is not higher-order page itself, but that order-2 needs 4
pages and thus needs to pass a bit higher watermark, thus being at disadvantage
to order-0 allocations. Thus I would expect the order-2 pages to be there, but
not available for allocation due to watermarks.
> Currently, order <= PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER allocations implicitly retry
> unless chosen by the OOM killer. Therefore, even if tasks requesting
> order = 2 pages lost the competition when there are tasks requesting
> order = 0 pages, the order = 2 allocation request is implicitly retried
> and therefore the OOM killer is not invoked (though there is a problem that
> tasks requesting order > 0 allocation will stall as long as tasks requesting
> order = 0 pages dominate).
>
> But this patchset introduced a limit of 16 retries. Thus, if tasks requesting
> order = 2 pages lost the competition for 16 times due to tasks requesting
> order = 0 pages, tasks requesting order = 2 pages invoke the OOM killer.
> To avoid the OOM killer, we need to make sure that pages reclaimed for
> order > 0 allocations will not be stolen by tasks requesting order = 0
> allocations.
>
> Is my feeling plausible?
>
> --
> To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in
> the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM,
> see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ .
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Thread overview: 299+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-12-15 18:19 [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4 Michal Hocko
2015-12-15 18:19 ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-15 18:19 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm, oom: rework oom detection Michal Hocko
2015-12-15 18:19 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-14 22:58 ` David Rientjes
2016-01-14 22:58 ` David Rientjes
2016-01-16 1:07 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-16 1:07 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-19 22:48 ` David Rientjes
2016-01-19 22:48 ` David Rientjes
2016-01-20 11:13 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-20 11:13 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-20 13:13 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-20 13:13 ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-04 8:23 ` Vladimir Davydov
2016-04-04 8:23 ` Vladimir Davydov
2016-04-04 9:42 ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-04 9:42 ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-15 18:19 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: throttle on IO only when there are too many dirty and writeback pages Michal Hocko
2015-12-15 18:19 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-17 11:35 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-17 11:35 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-17 12:01 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-17 12:01 ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-15 18:19 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: use watermak checks for __GFP_REPEAT high order allocations Michal Hocko
2015-12-15 18:19 ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4 Andrew Morton
2015-12-16 23:35 ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-18 12:12 ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-18 12:12 ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-16 23:58 ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-16 23:58 ` Andrew Morton
2015-12-18 13:15 ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-18 13:15 ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-18 16:35 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-12-18 16:35 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-12-24 12:41 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-24 12:41 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-28 12:08 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-28 12:08 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-28 14:13 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-28 14:13 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-06 12:44 ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2016-01-06 12:44 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-01-08 12:37 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-08 12:37 ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-29 16:32 ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-29 16:32 ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-30 15:05 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-30 15:05 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-02 15:47 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-02 15:47 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-20 12:24 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-20 12:24 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-27 23:18 ` David Rientjes
2016-01-27 23:18 ` David Rientjes
2016-01-28 21:19 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 21:19 ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-29 16:27 ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-29 16:27 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 20:40 ` [PATCH 4/3] mm, oom: drop the last allocation attempt before out_of_memory Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 20:40 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 21:36 ` Johannes Weiner
2016-01-28 21:36 ` Johannes Weiner
2016-01-28 23:19 ` David Rientjes
2016-01-28 23:19 ` David Rientjes
2016-01-28 23:51 ` Johannes Weiner
2016-01-28 23:51 ` Johannes Weiner
2016-01-29 10:39 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-29 10:39 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-29 15:32 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-29 15:32 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-30 12:18 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-30 12:18 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-29 15:23 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-29 15:23 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-29 15:24 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-29 15:24 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 21:19 ` [PATCH 5/3] mm, vmscan: make zone_reclaimable_pages more precise Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 21:19 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 23:20 ` David Rientjes
2016-01-28 23:20 ` David Rientjes
2016-01-29 3:41 ` Hillf Danton
2016-01-29 3:41 ` Hillf Danton
2016-01-29 10:35 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-29 10:35 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-29 15:17 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-29 15:17 ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-29 21:30 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-29 21:30 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-03 13:27 ` [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4 Michal Hocko
2016-02-03 13:27 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-03 22:58 ` David Rientjes
2016-02-03 22:58 ` David Rientjes
2016-02-04 12:57 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-04 12:57 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-04 13:10 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-04 13:10 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-04 13:39 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-04 13:39 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-04 14:24 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-04 14:24 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-07 4:09 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-07 4:09 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-15 20:06 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-15 20:06 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-16 13:10 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-16 13:10 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-16 15:19 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-16 15:19 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-25 3:47 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-02-25 3:47 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-02-25 6:48 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-25 6:48 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-25 9:17 ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-25 9:17 ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-25 9:27 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-25 9:27 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-25 9:48 ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-25 9:48 ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-25 11:02 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-25 11:02 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-25 9:23 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-25 9:23 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-26 6:32 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-02-26 6:32 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-02-26 7:54 ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-26 7:54 ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-26 9:24 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-26 9:24 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-26 10:27 ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-26 10:27 ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-26 13:49 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-26 13:49 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-26 9:33 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-26 9:33 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-29 21:02 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-29 21:02 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 2:19 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 2:19 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 9:50 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 9:50 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 13:32 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 13:32 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 14:06 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 14:06 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 14:34 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 14:34 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-03 9:26 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-03 9:26 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-03 10:29 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-03 10:29 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-03 14:10 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-03 14:10 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-03 15:25 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-03 15:25 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-04 5:23 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-04 5:23 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-04 15:15 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-04 15:15 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-04 17:39 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-04 17:39 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-07 5:23 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-07 5:23 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-03 15:50 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-03 15:50 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-03 16:26 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-03 16:26 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-04 7:10 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-04 7:10 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 15:01 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-02 15:01 ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-07 16:08 ` [PATCH] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more (was: Re: [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4) Michal Hocko
2016-03-07 16:08 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 3:51 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08 3:51 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08 9:08 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 9:08 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 9:24 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08 9:24 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08 9:24 ` [PATCH] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 9:24 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 9:32 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08 9:32 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08 9:46 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 9:46 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 9:52 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 9:52 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 10:10 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 10:10 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 11:12 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 11:12 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 12:22 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 12:22 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 12:29 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 12:29 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 9:58 ` [PATCH] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more (was: Re: [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4) Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08 9:58 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08 13:57 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 13:57 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 10:36 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-08 13:42 ` [PATCH 0/2] oom rework: high order enahncements Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 13:42 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 13:42 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm, compaction: change COMPACT_ constants into enum Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 13:42 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 14:19 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 14:19 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-09 3:55 ` Hillf Danton
2016-03-09 3:55 ` Hillf Danton
2016-03-08 13:42 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm, compaction: cover all compaction mode in compact_zone Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 13:42 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 14:22 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 14:22 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-09 3:57 ` Hillf Danton
2016-03-09 3:57 ` Hillf Danton
2016-03-08 13:42 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 13:42 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 14:34 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 14:34 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 14:48 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 14:48 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 15:03 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 15:03 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-09 11:11 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-09 11:11 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-09 14:07 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-09 14:07 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-11 12:17 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-11 12:17 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-11 13:06 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 13:06 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 19:08 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-11 19:08 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-14 16:21 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-14 16:21 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 15:19 ` [PATCH] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more (was: Re: [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4) Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-08 15:19 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-08 16:05 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 16:05 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 17:03 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-08 17:03 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-09 10:41 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-09 10:41 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 14:53 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-11 14:53 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-11 15:20 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 15:20 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-29 20:35 ` [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4 Michal Hocko
2016-03-01 7:29 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-01 7:29 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-01 13:38 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-01 13:38 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-01 14:40 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-01 14:40 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-01 18:14 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-01 18:14 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02 2:55 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 2:55 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 12:37 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 12:37 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 14:06 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 14:06 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 12:24 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 13:00 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 13:22 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02 13:22 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02 2:28 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 2:28 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 12:39 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 12:39 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-03 9:54 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-03 12:32 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-03 12:32 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-03 20:57 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-03 20:57 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-04 7:41 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-04 7:41 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-04 7:53 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-04 7:53 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-04 12:28 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-04 12:28 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 10:45 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-11 10:45 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-11 13:08 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 13:08 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 13:32 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-11 13:32 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-11 15:28 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 15:28 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 16:49 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-11 16:49 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-11 17:00 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 17:00 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 17:20 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-11 17:20 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-12 4:08 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-12 4:08 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-13 14:41 ` Tetsuo Handa
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