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From: Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>
To: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kasan-dev@googlegroups.com,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	Michal Marek <michal.lkml@markovi.net>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] preempt/dynamic: Introduce preempt mode accessors
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 10:56:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735o3rmej.mognet@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <26fd47db11763a9c79662a66eed2dbdbcbedaa8a.camel@gmx.de>

On 11/11/21 11:32, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> On Thu, 2021-11-11 at 10:36 +0100, Marco Elver wrote:
>> I guess the question is if is_preempt_full() should be true also if
>> is_preempt_rt() is true?
>
> That's what CONFIG_PREEMPTION is.  More could follow, but it was added
> to allow multiple models to say "preemptible".
>

That's what I was gonna say, but you can have CONFIG_PREEMPTION while being
is_preempt_none() due to PREEMPT_DYNAMIC...

>> Not sure all cases are happy with that, e.g. the kernel/trace/trace.c
>> case, which wants to print the precise preemption level.
>
> Yeah, that's the "annoying" bit, needing one oddball model accessor
> that isn't about a particular model.
>
>> To avoid confusion, I'd introduce another helper that says true if the
>> preemption level is "at least full", currently that'd be "full or rt".
>> Something like is_preempt_full_or_rt() (but might as well write
>> "is_preempt_full() || is_preempt_rt()"), or is_preemption() (to match
>> that Kconfig variable, although it's slightly confusing). The
>> implementation of that helper can just be a static inline function
>> returning "is_preempt_full() || is_preempt_rt()".
>>
>> Would that help?
>
> Yeah, as it sits two accessors are needed, one that says PREEMPT the
> other PREEMPTION, spelling optional.
>

Per the above, I think we need the full || rt thingie.

>       -Mike

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>
To: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
Cc: Michal Marek <michal.lkml@markovi.net>,
	linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kasan-dev@googlegroups.com,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] preempt/dynamic: Introduce preempt mode accessors
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 10:56:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735o3rmej.mognet@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <26fd47db11763a9c79662a66eed2dbdbcbedaa8a.camel@gmx.de>

On 11/11/21 11:32, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> On Thu, 2021-11-11 at 10:36 +0100, Marco Elver wrote:
>> I guess the question is if is_preempt_full() should be true also if
>> is_preempt_rt() is true?
>
> That's what CONFIG_PREEMPTION is.  More could follow, but it was added
> to allow multiple models to say "preemptible".
>

That's what I was gonna say, but you can have CONFIG_PREEMPTION while being
is_preempt_none() due to PREEMPT_DYNAMIC...

>> Not sure all cases are happy with that, e.g. the kernel/trace/trace.c
>> case, which wants to print the precise preemption level.
>
> Yeah, that's the "annoying" bit, needing one oddball model accessor
> that isn't about a particular model.
>
>> To avoid confusion, I'd introduce another helper that says true if the
>> preemption level is "at least full", currently that'd be "full or rt".
>> Something like is_preempt_full_or_rt() (but might as well write
>> "is_preempt_full() || is_preempt_rt()"), or is_preemption() (to match
>> that Kconfig variable, although it's slightly confusing). The
>> implementation of that helper can just be a static inline function
>> returning "is_preempt_full() || is_preempt_rt()".
>>
>> Would that help?
>
> Yeah, as it sits two accessors are needed, one that says PREEMPT the
> other PREEMPTION, spelling optional.
>

Per the above, I think we need the full || rt thingie.

>       -Mike

  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-11 10:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-10 20:24 [PATCH v2 0/5] preempt: PREEMPT vs PREEMPT_DYNAMIC configs fixup Valentin Schneider
2021-11-10 20:24 ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-10 20:24 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] preempt: Restore preemption model selection configs Valentin Schneider
2021-11-10 20:24   ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-11  8:58   ` Marco Elver
2021-11-11  8:58     ` Marco Elver
2021-11-11 12:22   ` [tip: sched/urgent] " tip-bot2 for Valentin Schneider
2021-11-10 20:24 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] preempt/dynamic: Introduce preempt mode accessors Valentin Schneider
2021-11-10 20:24   ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-11  3:16   ` Mike Galbraith
2021-11-11  3:16     ` Mike Galbraith
2021-11-11  3:35     ` Mike Galbraith
2021-11-11  3:35       ` Mike Galbraith
2021-11-11  3:47       ` Mike Galbraith
2021-11-11  3:47         ` Mike Galbraith
2021-11-11  3:55         ` Mike Galbraith
2021-11-11  3:55           ` Mike Galbraith
2021-11-11  9:36         ` Marco Elver
2021-11-11  9:36           ` Marco Elver
2021-11-11 10:32           ` Mike Galbraith
2021-11-11 10:32             ` Mike Galbraith
2021-11-11 10:56             ` Valentin Schneider [this message]
2021-11-11 10:56               ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-11 11:09               ` Mike Galbraith
2021-11-11 11:09                 ` Mike Galbraith
2021-11-11  8:54   ` Marco Elver
2021-11-11  8:54     ` Marco Elver
2021-11-11 10:56     ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-11 10:56       ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-16 13:29   ` Christophe Leroy
2021-11-16 13:29     ` Christophe Leroy
2021-11-22 16:37     ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-22 16:37       ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-10 20:24 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] powerpc: Use preemption model accessors Valentin Schneider
2021-11-10 20:24   ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-11  4:55   ` Michael Ellerman
2021-11-11  4:55     ` Michael Ellerman
2021-11-15 15:29     ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-15 15:29       ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-16 13:41   ` Christophe Leroy
2021-11-16 13:41     ` Christophe Leroy
2021-11-22 16:44     ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-22 16:44       ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-10 20:24 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] kscan: " Valentin Schneider
2021-11-10 20:24   ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-11  9:11   ` Marco Elver
2021-11-11  9:11     ` Marco Elver
2021-11-11  9:39     ` Marco Elver
2021-11-11  9:39       ` Marco Elver
2021-11-11 10:57     ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-11 10:57       ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-10 20:24 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] ftrace: Use preemption model accessors for trace header printout Valentin Schneider
2021-11-10 20:24   ` Valentin Schneider
2021-11-10 20:36   ` Steven Rostedt
2021-11-10 20:36     ` Steven Rostedt

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