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From: Collin Funk <collin.funk1@gmail.com>
To: "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com>
Cc: "Arsen Arsenović" <arsen@aarsen.me>,
	"Alejandro Colomar" <alx@kernel.org>,
	"Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@orcam.me.uk>,
	"Paul Eggert" <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
	linux-man@vger.kernel.org, bug-gnulib@gnu.org,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: the Linux man-pages as an educational tool
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2026 16:27:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <875x1sp0h2.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260802231058.o7gud4bd7co2nbhv@illithid>

"G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> writes:

> At 2026-08-03T01:08:32+0200, Arsen Arsenović wrote:
>> Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org> writes:
>> > Most programmers can live in the safe bubble of <string.h>: those
>> > functions always require a string as input, and always provide a
>> > string as output.  Plain and simple.  It's difficult to write bugs
>> > when using those.
>> >
>> > That's the rationale.
>> 
>> I do not follow.
>> 
>> C has no namespaces, let alone qualified imports.
>
> That's true.
>
>> The name of a header providing some function is thus inconsequential.
>
> Then why not have one official big header file for the whole standard?
>
> #include <stdlibc.h>
>
> When you answer that to your own satisfaction, I suspect you'll have
> little trouble following Alex's argument.
>
> ...which doesn't mean you'll agree with it.

Plan 9 did this but with "#include <libc.h>" and it seems to have worked
fine.

I can't help but wonder of what happens in WG 14 rejects this
controversial, as obvious by this thread, change. Will the man-pages
changes be reverted? Or will we slowly watch them document personal
preferences instead of existing standards? After seeing weekly threads
about the prototype changes, I don't think it is an unreasonable
concern.

Collin

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-02 23:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-31 21:18 [PATCH 0/2] alx-0097r1 - <memory.h>, the legitimate header for memcpy(3) et al Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:18 ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h> Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:23   ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 21:28     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:54       ` Sam James
2026-07-31 22:18         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01  0:12           ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:43           ` Sam James
2026-07-31 21:51     ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h>) G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 21:59       ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Sam James
2026-07-31 22:24         ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 23:19           ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:52           ` Sam James
2026-08-01 12:01         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 12:04           ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:38           ` Sam James
2026-08-01 15:15             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 16:10               ` Sam James
2026-08-01 17:09                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 21:34                   ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 22:22                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 22:26                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 13:42                       ` Joseph Myers
2026-08-03 14:22                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 14:38                         ` on glibc forking/reclaiming its man pages (was: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform) G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-03 14:44                           ` Joseph Myers
2026-08-03 15:18                             ` G. Branden Robinson
     [not found]                   ` <CAETFuj2OwoyK9J85r2f0RoXbHbXKA4gQJ=JZ-7=QoqGcMwk0+Q@mail.gmail.com>
2026-08-01 22:44                     ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:24                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:53                         ` proposed revision to memory.h(3head) (was: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform) G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-02  0:27                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02  1:03                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03  0:47                             ` proposed revision to memory.h(3head) Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 17:58                               ` Mark Harris
2026-08-03 18:47                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 20:14                                   ` Mark Harris
2026-08-03 23:36                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-04  3:25                                       ` Mark Harris
2026-08-03 14:10                             ` proposed revision to memory.h(3head) (was: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform) Joseph Myers
2026-08-03 14:31                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 12:52                         ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Steve Summit
2026-08-02 13:17                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 13:45                             ` Steve Summit
2026-08-02 14:11                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 19:28                                 ` Paul Eggert
2026-08-02 20:31                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03  3:28                                     ` Paul Eggert
2026-08-03 11:39                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 13:23               ` Joseph Myers
2026-08-01 20:18             ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 20:42               ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 20:45                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 20:52                 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 21:12                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:10       ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h>) Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 22:21         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:28           ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h> G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 22:42           ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h>) Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 22:52             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:11               ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 23:32                 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 12:39                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:26                   ` Christopher Bazley
2026-08-01 15:29                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:45                 ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: " Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 12:39                   ` Douglas McIlroy
2026-08-01 19:54                     ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 20:35                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:08             ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h> G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 23:28               ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 23:57                 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01  0:06                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:05     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:16       ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 22:33         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:48     ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem, strn}*(): " Collin Funk
2026-07-31 23:52       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01  0:01         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-04  2:35         ` Thorsten Glaser
2026-07-31 21:19 ` [PATCH 2/2] man/man*/{string.3,memory.h.3head}: Move functions to a new page memory.h(3head) Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:20 ` [PATCH 0/2] alx-0097r1 - <memory.h>, the legitimate header for memcpy(3) et al Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01  0:25 ` [PATCH v2] man/man3/mem*(): SYNOPSIS: Document non-standard mem*() functions as provided by <memory.h> Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 22:22   ` Bruno Haible
2026-08-01 22:38     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 22:55       ` Bruno Haible
2026-08-01 23:10         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:26           ` Collin Funk
2026-08-01 23:34             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:29           ` Paul Eggert
2026-08-01 23:36             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02  0:08               ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool (was: [PATCH v2] man/man3/mem*(): SYNOPSIS: Document non-standard mem*() functions as provided by <memory.h>) G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-02  0:45                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02  1:04                   ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Collin Funk
2026-08-02  1:15                     ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-02  1:15                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02  1:49                       ` Collin Funk
2026-08-02 11:29                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 11:47                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 12:04                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 21:23                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2026-08-02 21:34                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 23:08                           ` Arsen Arsenović
2026-08-02 23:10                             ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-02 23:27                               ` Collin Funk [this message]
2026-08-02 23:37                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 23:41                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 23:42                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03  1:12                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03  2:09                                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-03 12:21                                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 14:05                                           ` Sam James
2026-08-03 14:40                                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 15:34                                               ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-03 16:11                                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 16:15                                               ` Sam James
2026-08-03 16:43                                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 10:28                                   ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool... and a bit about C Αγαθοκλής Χατζημανίκας
2026-08-03 14:03                                   ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Sam James
2026-08-03 14:28                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-04  2:39                                     ` Collin Funk
2026-08-03 16:09                                   ` on project management (was: the Linux man-pages as an educational tool) G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-03 19:46                                     ` enh
2026-08-03 21:09                                       ` on project management Arsen Arsenović
2026-08-02 23:30                               ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 11:00                               ` Arsen Arsenović
2026-08-03 16:07                           ` Jeffrey Walton
2026-08-03 16:17                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 19:31                           ` Joseph Myers
2026-08-03 19:47                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 13:51                         ` When and why realloc(,0) was broken in glibc in 1999 Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 12:35                       ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Bruno Haible
2026-08-03 13:07                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 19:45                           ` Joseph Myers
2026-08-03 19:50                             ` Alejandro Colomar

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