From: Joseph Myers <josmyers@redhat.com>
To: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
Cc: Sam James <sam@gentoo.org>,
"G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com>,
linux-man@vger.kernel.org, Keith Bostic <keith@bostic.com>,
Mark Harris <mark.hsj@gmail.com>,
Nevin Liber <nevin@cplusplusguy.com>,
JeanHeyd Meneide <phdofthehouse@gmail.com>,
Christopher Bazley <chris.bazley.wg14@gmail.com>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
Iker Pedrosa <ipedrosa@redhat.com>,
"Evgeny Grin (Karlson2k)" <k2k@drgrin.dev>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org,
Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu>
Subject: Re: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2026 13:23:46 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f95d7ce3-0b9a-e295-5736-127841582145@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <am4GT1OkqNZD9FF9@devuan>
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> It's certainly a privileged position. Just like maintainer of GCC, or
> of Clang, or any other core project of most systems. I acknowledge
> this, and I believe I've acknowledged this before, implicitly and
> explicitly.
Subsystem maintainers in glibc may choose to assume consensus for their
own changes in that subsystem *in the absence of evidence to the
contrary*. If it becomes clear that in fact there is not consensus for
such a change, they still need to revert it and go through the community
process to figure out what has consensus instead (or if the community is
unable to reach consensus, go to a vote of the GNU maintainers for glibc,
but such a vote should be very rare); being a subsystem maintainer is just
a shortcut and a signal of recognized expertise in that subsystem, not a
mechanism to override consensus.
--
Joseph S. Myers
josmyers@redhat.com
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2026-07-31 21:18 [PATCH 0/2] alx-0097r1 - <memory.h>, the legitimate header for memcpy(3) et al Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:18 ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h> Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:23 ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 21:28 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:54 ` Sam James
2026-07-31 22:18 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 0:12 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:43 ` Sam James
2026-07-31 21:51 ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h>) G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 21:59 ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Sam James
2026-07-31 22:24 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 23:19 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:52 ` Sam James
2026-08-01 12:01 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 12:04 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:38 ` Sam James
2026-08-01 15:15 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 16:10 ` Sam James
2026-08-01 17:09 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 21:34 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 22:22 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 22:26 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 13:42 ` Joseph Myers
2026-08-03 14:22 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 14:38 ` on glibc forking/reclaiming its man pages (was: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform) G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-03 14:44 ` Joseph Myers
2026-08-03 15:18 ` G. Branden Robinson
[not found] ` <CAETFuj2OwoyK9J85r2f0RoXbHbXKA4gQJ=JZ-7=QoqGcMwk0+Q@mail.gmail.com>
2026-08-01 22:44 ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:24 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:53 ` proposed revision to memory.h(3head) (was: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform) G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-02 0:27 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 1:03 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 0:47 ` proposed revision to memory.h(3head) Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 17:58 ` Mark Harris
2026-08-03 18:47 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 20:14 ` Mark Harris
2026-08-03 23:36 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-04 3:25 ` Mark Harris
2026-08-03 14:10 ` proposed revision to memory.h(3head) (was: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform) Joseph Myers
2026-08-03 14:31 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 12:52 ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Steve Summit
2026-08-02 13:17 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 13:45 ` Steve Summit
2026-08-02 14:11 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 19:28 ` Paul Eggert
2026-08-02 20:31 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 3:28 ` Paul Eggert
2026-08-03 11:39 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 13:23 ` Joseph Myers [this message]
2026-08-01 20:18 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 20:42 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 20:45 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 20:52 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 21:12 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:10 ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h>) Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 22:21 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:28 ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h> G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 22:42 ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h>) Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 22:52 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:11 ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 23:32 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 12:39 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:26 ` Christopher Bazley
2026-08-01 15:29 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:45 ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: " Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 12:39 ` Douglas McIlroy
2026-08-01 19:54 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 20:35 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h> G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 23:28 ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 23:57 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 0:06 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:05 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:16 ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 22:33 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:48 ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem, strn}*(): " Collin Funk
2026-07-31 23:52 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 0:01 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-04 2:35 ` Thorsten Glaser
2026-07-31 21:19 ` [PATCH 2/2] man/man*/{string.3,memory.h.3head}: Move functions to a new page memory.h(3head) Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:20 ` [PATCH 0/2] alx-0097r1 - <memory.h>, the legitimate header for memcpy(3) et al Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 0:25 ` [PATCH v2] man/man3/mem*(): SYNOPSIS: Document non-standard mem*() functions as provided by <memory.h> Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 22:22 ` Bruno Haible
2026-08-01 22:38 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 22:55 ` Bruno Haible
2026-08-01 23:10 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:26 ` Collin Funk
2026-08-01 23:34 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:29 ` Paul Eggert
2026-08-01 23:36 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 0:08 ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool (was: [PATCH v2] man/man3/mem*(): SYNOPSIS: Document non-standard mem*() functions as provided by <memory.h>) G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-02 0:45 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 1:04 ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Collin Funk
2026-08-02 1:15 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-02 1:15 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 1:49 ` Collin Funk
2026-08-02 11:29 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 11:47 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 12:04 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 21:23 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2026-08-02 21:34 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 23:08 ` Arsen Arsenović
2026-08-02 23:10 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-02 23:27 ` Collin Funk
2026-08-02 23:37 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 23:41 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 23:42 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 1:12 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 2:09 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-03 12:21 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 14:05 ` Sam James
2026-08-03 14:40 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 15:34 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-03 16:11 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 16:15 ` Sam James
2026-08-03 16:43 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 10:28 ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool... and a bit about C Αγαθοκλής Χατζημανίκας
2026-08-03 14:03 ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Sam James
2026-08-03 14:28 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-04 2:39 ` Collin Funk
2026-08-04 12:12 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-04 15:49 ` Arsen Arsenović
2026-08-04 17:16 ` The goal of the Linux man-pages project Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-04 20:04 ` DJ Delorie
2026-08-04 23:07 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-04 20:14 ` [GNULIB] " Αγαθοκλής Χατζημανίκας
2026-08-04 21:24 ` Αγαθοκλής Χατζημανίκας
2026-08-03 16:09 ` on project management (was: the Linux man-pages as an educational tool) G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-03 19:46 ` enh
2026-08-03 21:09 ` on project management Arsen Arsenović
2026-08-02 23:30 ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 11:00 ` Arsen Arsenović
2026-08-03 16:07 ` Jeffrey Walton
2026-08-03 16:17 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 19:31 ` Joseph Myers
2026-08-03 19:47 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 13:51 ` When and why realloc(,0) was broken in glibc in 1999 Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 12:35 ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Bruno Haible
2026-08-03 13:07 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 19:45 ` Joseph Myers
2026-08-03 19:50 ` Alejandro Colomar
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