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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-arm@nongnu.org, qemu-ppc@nongnu.org,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <f4bug@amsat.org>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH] tests/device-introspect: Test devices with all machines, not only with "none"
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:54:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877eou2nek.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <62dba5cf-b497-1a98-0af5-971e169a3458@redhat.com> (Thomas Huth's message of "Thu, 26 Apr 2018 12:24:48 +0200")

Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com> writes:

> On 17.04.2018 14:12, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com> writes:
>> 
>>> Many device introspection crashes only happen if you are using a
>>> certain machine, e.g.:
>>>
>>> $ ppc-softmmu/qemu-system-ppc -S -M ref405ep,accel=qtest -qmp stdio
>>> {"QMP": {"version": {"qemu": {"micro": 50, "minor": 11, "major": 2},
>>>  "package": "build-all"}, "capabilities": []}}
>>> { 'execute': 'qmp_capabilities' }
>>> {"return": {}}
>>> { 'execute': 'device-list-properties',
>>>   'arguments': {'typename': 'macio-newworld'}}
>>> Unexpected error in qemu_chr_fe_init() at chardev/char-fe.c:222:
>>> Device 'serial0' is in use
>>> Aborted (core dumped)
>>>
>>> To be able to catch these problems, let's extend the device-introspect
>>> test to check the devices on all machine types. Since this is a rather
>>> slow operation, the test is only run in "SPEED=slow" mode.
>> 
>> If the device works with one machine type, it has a decent chance to
>> work with others, too.  Thus, testing each device with every machine
>> type is overkill.  I appreciate having overkill as an option :)
>> 
>> What I'd like to see for a quick "make check" is testing each device
>> once.  That should flush out most bugs.  
>
> That's already done with the "none" machine.

I was too terse.  We test each device with -machine none for every
target.  Fine if that's quick enough.  If not, we might want to reduce
redundancy there.

Actually, a worse offender in the "waste everybody's time via redunancy"
department could be qom-test.

> Anyway, do you think my patch here is useful and has a chance of getting
> included? I.e. shall I re-spin this as a non-RFC patch? Or shall we
> rather wait for Eduardo's python-based tests to get included into the
> repository?

I don't mind having make check SPEED=slow run more extensive tests.
Assuming we actually run them at least once in a while, which seems
doubtful.

>>> Signed-off-by: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
>>> ---
>>>  In case someone wants to help with creating some bug fix patches
>>>  during the QEMU hard freeze phase: This test can now be used to
>>>  trigger lots of introspection bugs that we were not aware of yet.
>>>  I think most of the bugs are due to wrong handling of instance_init
>>>  vs. realize functions.
>> 
>> Yes, that's a common class of bugs.  There's little guidance on what
>> kind of work belongs where, and plenty of bad examples.
>
> I think we urgently need a file in doc/devel/ that describes the various
> states / functions of a device, where we should properly describe the
> differences between instance_init and realize. ... I'll try to come up
> with something when I've got some spare time (unless somebody else
> volunteers to do that first).

Please do.

Widen the scope from just TYPE_DEVICE to all of QOM?

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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
Cc: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <f4bug@amsat.org>,
	qemu-arm@nongnu.org, qemu-ppc@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH] tests/device-introspect: Test devices with all machines, not only with "none"
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:54:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877eou2nek.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <62dba5cf-b497-1a98-0af5-971e169a3458@redhat.com> (Thomas Huth's message of "Thu, 26 Apr 2018 12:24:48 +0200")

Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com> writes:

> On 17.04.2018 14:12, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com> writes:
>> 
>>> Many device introspection crashes only happen if you are using a
>>> certain machine, e.g.:
>>>
>>> $ ppc-softmmu/qemu-system-ppc -S -M ref405ep,accel=qtest -qmp stdio
>>> {"QMP": {"version": {"qemu": {"micro": 50, "minor": 11, "major": 2},
>>>  "package": "build-all"}, "capabilities": []}}
>>> { 'execute': 'qmp_capabilities' }
>>> {"return": {}}
>>> { 'execute': 'device-list-properties',
>>>   'arguments': {'typename': 'macio-newworld'}}
>>> Unexpected error in qemu_chr_fe_init() at chardev/char-fe.c:222:
>>> Device 'serial0' is in use
>>> Aborted (core dumped)
>>>
>>> To be able to catch these problems, let's extend the device-introspect
>>> test to check the devices on all machine types. Since this is a rather
>>> slow operation, the test is only run in "SPEED=slow" mode.
>> 
>> If the device works with one machine type, it has a decent chance to
>> work with others, too.  Thus, testing each device with every machine
>> type is overkill.  I appreciate having overkill as an option :)
>> 
>> What I'd like to see for a quick "make check" is testing each device
>> once.  That should flush out most bugs.  
>
> That's already done with the "none" machine.

I was too terse.  We test each device with -machine none for every
target.  Fine if that's quick enough.  If not, we might want to reduce
redundancy there.

Actually, a worse offender in the "waste everybody's time via redunancy"
department could be qom-test.

> Anyway, do you think my patch here is useful and has a chance of getting
> included? I.e. shall I re-spin this as a non-RFC patch? Or shall we
> rather wait for Eduardo's python-based tests to get included into the
> repository?

I don't mind having make check SPEED=slow run more extensive tests.
Assuming we actually run them at least once in a while, which seems
doubtful.

>>> Signed-off-by: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
>>> ---
>>>  In case someone wants to help with creating some bug fix patches
>>>  during the QEMU hard freeze phase: This test can now be used to
>>>  trigger lots of introspection bugs that we were not aware of yet.
>>>  I think most of the bugs are due to wrong handling of instance_init
>>>  vs. realize functions.
>> 
>> Yes, that's a common class of bugs.  There's little guidance on what
>> kind of work belongs where, and plenty of bad examples.
>
> I think we urgently need a file in doc/devel/ that describes the various
> states / functions of a device, where we should properly describe the
> differences between instance_init and realize. ... I'll try to come up
> with something when I've got some spare time (unless somebody else
> volunteers to do that first).

Please do.

Widen the scope from just TYPE_DEVICE to all of QOM?

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-26 11:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-19  9:39 [Qemu-arm] [RFC PATCH] tests/device-introspect: Test devices with all machines, not only with "none" Thomas Huth
2018-03-19  9:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Thomas Huth
2018-03-19 20:37 ` [Qemu-arm] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-03-19 20:37   ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-04-17 12:12 ` [Qemu-arm] " Markus Armbruster
2018-04-17 12:12   ` Markus Armbruster
2018-04-17 12:52   ` [Qemu-arm] " Peter Maydell
2018-04-17 12:52     ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-arm] " Peter Maydell
2018-04-17 13:15     ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-devel] " Markus Armbruster
2018-04-17 13:15       ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-arm] " Markus Armbruster
2018-04-26 10:24   ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-devel] " Thomas Huth
2018-04-26 10:24     ` Thomas Huth
2018-04-26 11:54     ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2018-04-26 11:54       ` Markus Armbruster
2018-04-26 15:27       ` [Qemu-arm] " Thomas Huth
2018-04-26 15:27         ` Thomas Huth
2018-04-27  0:34       ` [Qemu-arm] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-04-27  0:34         ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-04-27  3:45         ` [Qemu-arm] " Thomas Huth
2018-04-27  3:45           ` Thomas Huth
2018-04-27  6:06       ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-devel] qom-test (was: [RFC PATCH] tests/device-introspect: Test devices with all machines, not only with "none") Thomas Huth
2018-04-27  6:06         ` Thomas Huth
2018-04-27  6:29         ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-devel] qom-test Markus Armbruster
2018-04-27  6:29           ` Markus Armbruster
2018-04-27 10:20         ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-devel] qom-test (was: [RFC PATCH] tests/device-introspect: Test devices with all machines, not only with "none") Peter Maydell
2018-04-27 10:20           ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-arm] " Peter Maydell
2018-04-27 10:24           ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-arm] qom-test Thomas Huth
2018-04-27 10:24             ` Thomas Huth
2018-04-27 16:30             ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-devel] qom-test Markus Armbruster
2018-04-27 16:30               ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-arm] qom-test Markus Armbruster
2018-04-27 16:36               ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-ppc] [Qemu-devel] qom-test Thomas Huth
2018-04-27 16:36                 ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] [Qemu-arm] qom-test Thomas Huth
2018-04-26 11:45 ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH] tests/device-introspect: Test devices with all machines, not only with "none" Markus Armbruster
2018-04-26 11:45   ` Markus Armbruster
2018-04-26 15:20   ` [Qemu-arm] " Thomas Huth
2018-04-26 15:20     ` Thomas Huth
2018-04-27  0:32     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-04-27  0:32       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-04-27  3:52       ` [Qemu-arm] " Thomas Huth
2018-04-27  3:52         ` Thomas Huth
2018-04-27  6:31       ` [Qemu-arm] " Markus Armbruster
2018-04-27  6:31         ` Markus Armbruster
2018-04-27  7:31         ` [Qemu-arm] " Thomas Huth
2018-04-27  7:31           ` Thomas Huth
2018-04-27  8:05           ` [Qemu-arm] " Markus Armbruster
2018-04-27  8:05             ` Markus Armbruster
2018-05-07 13:53         ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-07 13:53           ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-07 16:50           ` [Qemu-arm] " Markus Armbruster
2018-05-07 16:50             ` Markus Armbruster
2018-05-07 17:02             ` [Qemu-arm] " Thomas Huth
2018-05-07 17:02               ` Thomas Huth
2018-05-07 17:04             ` [Qemu-arm] " Peter Maydell
2018-05-07 17:04               ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-arm] " Peter Maydell
2018-05-07 18:21             ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-07 19:13               ` [Qemu-arm] " Thomas Huth
2018-05-07 19:13                 ` Thomas Huth
2018-05-07 19:32                 ` [Qemu-arm] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-07 19:32                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-08  5:33                   ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-devel] Running QEMU without default devices / kernel / bios (was: Test devices with all machines, not only with "none") Thomas Huth
2018-05-08  5:33                     ` Thomas Huth
2018-05-08 10:47                     ` [Qemu-devel] Running QEMU without default devices / kernel / bios Thomas Huth
2018-05-08 10:47                       ` Thomas Huth
2018-05-08 16:40                     ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-devel] Running QEMU without default devices / kernel / bios (was: Test devices with all machines, not only with "none") Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-08 16:40                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-05-09  7:41                       ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-ppc] [Qemu-devel] Running QEMU without default devices / kernel / bios Thomas Huth
2018-05-09  7:41                         ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Thomas Huth
2018-05-09 11:36                         ` Markus Armbruster
2018-05-09 11:36                           ` Markus Armbruster
2018-05-08  5:41                   ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH] tests/device-introspect: Test devices with all machines, not only with "none" Markus Armbruster
2018-05-08  5:41                     ` Markus Armbruster

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