* [REGRESSION] snd-usb-audio: commit da3a7efff64e ("ALSA: usb-audio: Update for native DSD support quirks") breaks DSD playback on Musical Fidelity M6s DAC (2772:0502), plays ~8.8% fast
@ 2026-07-08 16:33 Salvador Blaya
2026-07-08 22:28 ` Jussi Laako
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Salvador Blaya @ 2026-07-08 16:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: alsa-devel; +Cc: tiwai, jussi, regressions
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To: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
Cc: tiwai@suse.de, jussi@sonarnerd.net, regressions@lists.linux.dev
Subject: [REGRESSION] snd-usb-audio: commit da3a7ef ("ALSA: usb-audio:
Update for native DSD support quirks") breaks DSD playback on Musical
Fidelity M6s DAC (2772:0502), plays ~8.8% fast
Hi,
Commit da3a7efff64e ("ALSA: usb-audio: Update for native DSD support
quirks") added VENDOR_FLG(0x2772) with QUIRK_FLAG_DSD_RAW for Musical
Fidelity devices. This vendor-wide match also catches the (older,
discontinued) Musical Fidelity M6s DAC, USB ID 2772:0502, which exposes
a UAC2 altsetting with bmFormats 0x80000000 (RAW_DATA, 32-bit) but
whose firmware cannot actually clock DSD playback correctly in any
mode. As a result, since this commit, applications like MPD prefer the
newly offered native DSD over DSD-to-PCM conversion and playback is
audibly broken (runs ~8.8% fast, raised pitch), where kernels without
the commit (e.g. 6.12.x) play correctly.
Could 2772:0502 be excluded from the vendor flag (or the vendor flag
be narrowed to the specific products that support native DSD, such as
the newer M6x DAC)?
Evidence gathered on Debian trixie, MPD, direct hw: access, no
resampling:
1) Native DSD (observed on 7.0.7 through 7.0.12): host side is correct
- hw_params shows format DSD_U32_BE, rate 88200 (correct for DSD64)
- but playback runs ~8.8% fast with raised pitch. A 4:41 track
finishes in ~4:15, matching a 48 kHz-family clock (3.072 MHz)
applied to a 2.8224 MHz DSD64 stream (ratio 1.0884).
2) DoP (6.12.9, MPD dop=yes): host side again correct - hw_params
shows S32_LE, rate 176400 - same ~8.8% fast playback. So the DAC's
internal DSD decoding path is misclocked regardless of transport.
3) Control test: the same DSD64 track converted to PCM FLAC at
176400 Hz plays at correct speed/pitch through the exact same path
(S32_LE @ 176400). The 44.1 kHz rate family is fine for PCM; only
DSD decoding inside the DAC is broken. This rules out any host-side
rate issue.
4) The same fault has long been reported for this DAC on Windows 10
with the official ASIO driver ("DSD via DoP plays noticeably
faster"):
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/musical-fidelity-m6-sdac-dsd-issues/39450
including a follow-up for the successor model (M6sR). This is an
OS-independent firmware defect that the manufacturer never fixed,
which is presumably why this model was specified as DoP-only.
Working configuration for reference (correct playback): MPD with
dop "no", MPD's dsd2pcm conversion to 352800 Hz - i.e. the behaviour
kernels without the commit provide by default for this device.
Since these quirk updates tend to be backported to stable/LTS trees,
please consider the fix for stable as well, so that currently working
LTS kernels (e.g. 6.12.y) don't regress.
Full lsusb -v output attached. Happy to test patches.
#regzbot introduced: da3a7efff64ec0d63af4499eea3a46a2e13b5797
Please CC me on replies, I'm not subscribed to the list.
Best regards,
S. Blaya
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread* Re: [REGRESSION] snd-usb-audio: commit da3a7efff64e ("ALSA: usb-audio: Update for native DSD support quirks") breaks DSD playback on Musical Fidelity M6s DAC (2772:0502), plays ~8.8% fast 2026-07-08 16:33 [REGRESSION] snd-usb-audio: commit da3a7efff64e ("ALSA: usb-audio: Update for native DSD support quirks") breaks DSD playback on Musical Fidelity M6s DAC (2772:0502), plays ~8.8% fast Salvador Blaya @ 2026-07-08 22:28 ` Jussi Laako 2026-07-09 7:10 ` Salvador Blaya 2026-07-09 7:33 ` Takashi Iwai 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Jussi Laako @ 2026-07-08 22:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Salvador Blaya; +Cc: alsa-devel, tiwai, regressions Hi, I don’t think we currently have exclusion method for devices with buggy firmware, which claim to support native DSD, but do it incorrectly. And reverting with device specific white-listing is not a good approach for future maintenance. Having to device-specific white-list each new device appearing on the market from the manufacturer just because some old device is broken is not really a sustainable model. So I would just suggest using PCM with the device if it’s DSD implementation is buggy/broken, while it claims to have such. Or alternatively update the firmware with a fixed one. Newer MuFi devices work fine though, like for example the M3x DAC I have for testing this, and the M6x you mention. Additional challenge is that many manufacturers use the same USB interface implementation with same VID:PID on multiple different products. So it is not even necessarily possible to distinguish a particular problematic product. Best regards, - Jussi > On 8. Jul 2026, at 19.33, Salvador Blaya <tiniebla6@gmail.com> wrote: > > To: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org > Cc: tiwai@suse.de, jussi@sonarnerd.net, regressions@lists.linux.dev > Subject: [REGRESSION] snd-usb-audio: commit da3a7ef ("ALSA: usb-audio: > Update for native DSD support quirks") breaks DSD playback on Musical > Fidelity M6s DAC (2772:0502), plays ~8.8% fast > > Hi, > > Commit da3a7efff64e ("ALSA: usb-audio: Update for native DSD support > quirks") added VENDOR_FLG(0x2772) with QUIRK_FLAG_DSD_RAW for Musical > Fidelity devices. This vendor-wide match also catches the (older, > discontinued) Musical Fidelity M6s DAC, USB ID 2772:0502, which exposes > a UAC2 altsetting with bmFormats 0x80000000 (RAW_DATA, 32-bit) but > whose firmware cannot actually clock DSD playback correctly in any > mode. As a result, since this commit, applications like MPD prefer the > newly offered native DSD over DSD-to-PCM conversion and playback is > audibly broken (runs ~8.8% fast, raised pitch), where kernels without > the commit (e.g. 6.12.x) play correctly. > > Could 2772:0502 be excluded from the vendor flag (or the vendor flag > be narrowed to the specific products that support native DSD, such as > the newer M6x DAC)? > > Evidence gathered on Debian trixie, MPD, direct hw: access, no > resampling: > > 1) Native DSD (observed on 7.0.7 through 7.0.12): host side is correct > - hw_params shows format DSD_U32_BE, rate 88200 (correct for DSD64) > - but playback runs ~8.8% fast with raised pitch. A 4:41 track > finishes in ~4:15, matching a 48 kHz-family clock (3.072 MHz) > applied to a 2.8224 MHz DSD64 stream (ratio 1.0884). > > 2) DoP (6.12.9, MPD dop=yes): host side again correct - hw_params > shows S32_LE, rate 176400 - same ~8.8% fast playback. So the DAC's > internal DSD decoding path is misclocked regardless of transport. > > 3) Control test: the same DSD64 track converted to PCM FLAC at > 176400 Hz plays at correct speed/pitch through the exact same path > (S32_LE @ 176400). The 44.1 kHz rate family is fine for PCM; only > DSD decoding inside the DAC is broken. This rules out any host-side > rate issue. > > 4) The same fault has long been reported for this DAC on Windows 10 > with the official ASIO driver ("DSD via DoP plays noticeably > faster"): > https://community.roonlabs.com/t/musical-fidelity-m6-sdac-dsd-issues/39450 > including a follow-up for the successor model (M6sR). This is an > OS-independent firmware defect that the manufacturer never fixed, > which is presumably why this model was specified as DoP-only. > > Working configuration for reference (correct playback): MPD with > dop "no", MPD's dsd2pcm conversion to 352800 Hz - i.e. the behaviour > kernels without the commit provide by default for this device. > > Since these quirk updates tend to be backported to stable/LTS trees, > please consider the fix for stable as well, so that currently working > LTS kernels (e.g. 6.12.y) don't regress. > > Full lsusb -v output attached. Happy to test patches. > > #regzbot introduced: da3a7efff64ec0d63af4499eea3a46a2e13b5797 > > Please CC me on replies, I'm not subscribed to the list. > > Best regards, > > S. Blaya > <m6sdac-lsusb.txt> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [REGRESSION] snd-usb-audio: commit da3a7efff64e ("ALSA: usb-audio: Update for native DSD support quirks") breaks DSD playback on Musical Fidelity M6s DAC (2772:0502), plays ~8.8% fast 2026-07-08 22:28 ` Jussi Laako @ 2026-07-09 7:10 ` Salvador Blaya 2026-07-09 7:33 ` Takashi Iwai 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Salvador Blaya @ 2026-07-09 7:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jussi Laako; +Cc: alsa-devel, tiwai, regressions Hi Jussi, Thanks for the explanation - that's fair enough, understood. Since the defect is in the device firmware and affects every OS, I agree the right place to pursue a real fix is the manufacturer, which I'm doing separately. For the record, and for any other M6s DAC owner finding this thread: the device plays DSD correctly only via DSD-to-PCM conversion. With MPD this can be enforced regardless of kernel version by omitting dsd entries from allowed_formats, e.g.: audio_output { type "alsa" device "hw:CARD=M6sDAC,DEV=0" mixer_type "none" dop "no" allowed_formats "352800:32:2 176400:32:2 96000:32:2 88200:32:2 48000:32:2 44100:32:2" } This restores the pre-7.0.7 behaviour (dsd2pcm at 352.8 kHz), which plays correctly. Consider this report resolved as "device firmware defect, workaround documented". Thanks again for your time. #regzbot resolve: device firmware defect, not a kernel bug Best regards Salvador El jue, 9 jul 2026 a las 0:28, Jussi Laako (<jussi@sonarnerd.net>) escribió: > > Hi, > > I don’t think we currently have exclusion method for devices with buggy firmware, which claim to support native DSD, but do it incorrectly. And reverting with device specific white-listing is not a good approach for future maintenance. Having to device-specific white-list each new device appearing on the market from the manufacturer just because some old device is broken is not really a sustainable model. > > So I would just suggest using PCM with the device if it’s DSD implementation is buggy/broken, while it claims to have such. Or alternatively update the firmware with a fixed one. > > Newer MuFi devices work fine though, like for example the M3x DAC I have for testing this, and the M6x you mention. > > Additional challenge is that many manufacturers use the same USB interface implementation with same VID:PID on multiple different products. So it is not even necessarily possible to distinguish a particular problematic product. > > > Best regards, > > - Jussi > > > > On 8. Jul 2026, at 19.33, Salvador Blaya <tiniebla6@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > To: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org > > Cc: tiwai@suse.de, jussi@sonarnerd.net, regressions@lists.linux.dev > > Subject: [REGRESSION] snd-usb-audio: commit da3a7ef ("ALSA: usb-audio: > > Update for native DSD support quirks") breaks DSD playback on Musical > > Fidelity M6s DAC (2772:0502), plays ~8.8% fast > > > > Hi, > > > > Commit da3a7efff64e ("ALSA: usb-audio: Update for native DSD support > > quirks") added VENDOR_FLG(0x2772) with QUIRK_FLAG_DSD_RAW for Musical > > Fidelity devices. This vendor-wide match also catches the (older, > > discontinued) Musical Fidelity M6s DAC, USB ID 2772:0502, which exposes > > a UAC2 altsetting with bmFormats 0x80000000 (RAW_DATA, 32-bit) but > > whose firmware cannot actually clock DSD playback correctly in any > > mode. As a result, since this commit, applications like MPD prefer the > > newly offered native DSD over DSD-to-PCM conversion and playback is > > audibly broken (runs ~8.8% fast, raised pitch), where kernels without > > the commit (e.g. 6.12.x) play correctly. > > > > Could 2772:0502 be excluded from the vendor flag (or the vendor flag > > be narrowed to the specific products that support native DSD, such as > > the newer M6x DAC)? > > > > Evidence gathered on Debian trixie, MPD, direct hw: access, no > > resampling: > > > > 1) Native DSD (observed on 7.0.7 through 7.0.12): host side is correct > > - hw_params shows format DSD_U32_BE, rate 88200 (correct for DSD64) > > - but playback runs ~8.8% fast with raised pitch. A 4:41 track > > finishes in ~4:15, matching a 48 kHz-family clock (3.072 MHz) > > applied to a 2.8224 MHz DSD64 stream (ratio 1.0884). > > > > 2) DoP (6.12.9, MPD dop=yes): host side again correct - hw_params > > shows S32_LE, rate 176400 - same ~8.8% fast playback. So the DAC's > > internal DSD decoding path is misclocked regardless of transport. > > > > 3) Control test: the same DSD64 track converted to PCM FLAC at > > 176400 Hz plays at correct speed/pitch through the exact same path > > (S32_LE @ 176400). The 44.1 kHz rate family is fine for PCM; only > > DSD decoding inside the DAC is broken. This rules out any host-side > > rate issue. > > > > 4) The same fault has long been reported for this DAC on Windows 10 > > with the official ASIO driver ("DSD via DoP plays noticeably > > faster"): > > https://community.roonlabs.com/t/musical-fidelity-m6-sdac-dsd-issues/39450 > > including a follow-up for the successor model (M6sR). This is an > > OS-independent firmware defect that the manufacturer never fixed, > > which is presumably why this model was specified as DoP-only. > > > > Working configuration for reference (correct playback): MPD with > > dop "no", MPD's dsd2pcm conversion to 352800 Hz - i.e. the behaviour > > kernels without the commit provide by default for this device. > > > > Since these quirk updates tend to be backported to stable/LTS trees, > > please consider the fix for stable as well, so that currently working > > LTS kernels (e.g. 6.12.y) don't regress. > > > > Full lsusb -v output attached. Happy to test patches. > > > > #regzbot introduced: da3a7efff64ec0d63af4499eea3a46a2e13b5797 > > > > Please CC me on replies, I'm not subscribed to the list. > > > > Best regards, > > > > S. Blaya > > <m6sdac-lsusb.txt> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [REGRESSION] snd-usb-audio: commit da3a7efff64e ("ALSA: usb-audio: Update for native DSD support quirks") breaks DSD playback on Musical Fidelity M6s DAC (2772:0502), plays ~8.8% fast 2026-07-08 22:28 ` Jussi Laako 2026-07-09 7:10 ` Salvador Blaya @ 2026-07-09 7:33 ` Takashi Iwai 2026-07-09 7:54 ` Salvador Blaya 2026-07-09 8:34 ` Jussi Laako 1 sibling, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Takashi Iwai @ 2026-07-09 7:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jussi Laako; +Cc: Salvador Blaya, alsa-devel, regressions On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 00:28:00 +0200, Jussi Laako wrote: > > Hi, > > I don’t think we currently have exclusion method for devices with buggy firmware, which claim to support native DSD, but do it incorrectly. And reverting with device specific white-listing is not a good approach for future maintenance. Having to device-specific white-list each new device appearing on the market from the manufacturer just because some old device is broken is not really a sustainable model. While I fully agree that white-listing all needed devices won't scale, blacklisting the broken device might work. We can an empty quirk entry for 2772:0502 for skipping the vendor match, something like below, as an ad hoc fix. Though, this blindly assumes that there aren't so many broken devices, and there will be no firmware fix or another model that works with the same ID. If a model is relatively new and/or the vendor often updates the firmware, such an entry can be risky, too. thanks, Takashi -- 8< -- --- a/sound/usb/quirks.c +++ b/sound/usb/quirks.c @@ -2463,6 +2463,8 @@ static const struct usb_audio_quirk_flags_table quirk_flags_table[] = { QUIRK_FLAG_DSD_RAW), DEVICE_FLG(0x2708, 0x0002, /* Audient iD14 */ QUIRK_FLAG_IGNORE_CTL_ERROR), + DEVICE_FLG(0x2772, 0x0502, /* Musical Fidelity M6s DAC */ + 0), /* for avoiding QUIRK_FLAG_DSD_RAW with vendor match */ DEVICE_FLG(0x2912, 0x30c8, /* Audioengine D1 */ QUIRK_FLAG_GET_SAMPLE_RATE), DEVICE_FLG(0x2a70, 0x1881, /* OnePlus Technology (Shenzhen) Co., Ltd. BE02T */ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [REGRESSION] snd-usb-audio: commit da3a7efff64e ("ALSA: usb-audio: Update for native DSD support quirks") breaks DSD playback on Musical Fidelity M6s DAC (2772:0502), plays ~8.8% fast 2026-07-09 7:33 ` Takashi Iwai @ 2026-07-09 7:54 ` Salvador Blaya 2026-07-09 8:29 ` Jussi Laako 2026-07-09 8:34 ` Jussi Laako 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Salvador Blaya @ 2026-07-09 7:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: Jussi Laako, alsa-devel, regressions Hi Takashi, Thank you - that approach would fit this case well, and the risks you mention are fortunately minimal here: - The M6s DAC has been discontinued for years and the defect was first reported to the vendor (via their Windows ASIO driver users) back in 2018, with no firmware fix ever published. I have an inquiry open with Musical Fidelity about firmware and will report back if anything changes. - The only other model possibly sharing this ID, the M6sR successor, exhibits the same defect per the Roon thread in my original report, so an empty entry for 2772:0502 cannot break a working device. The current MF models known to work with native DSD (M3x, M6x) already worked before the vendor flag was added, so they use different IDs. I'm happy to test the patch on my unit - both that native DSD is no longer offered (MPD falling back to dsd2pcm as on 6.12.y) and that normal PCM playback is unaffected. Just let me know. Best regards, Salvador El jue, 9 jul 2026 a las 9:33, Takashi Iwai (<tiwai@suse.de>) escribió: > > On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 00:28:00 +0200, > Jussi Laako wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I don’t think we currently have exclusion method for devices with buggy firmware, which claim to support native DSD, but do it incorrectly. And reverting with device specific white-listing is not a good approach for future maintenance. Having to device-specific white-list each new device appearing on the market from the manufacturer just because some old device is broken is not really a sustainable model. > > While I fully agree that white-listing all needed devices won't scale, > blacklisting the broken device might work. We can an empty quirk > entry for 2772:0502 for skipping the vendor match, something like > below, as an ad hoc fix. > > Though, this blindly assumes that there aren't so many broken devices, > and there will be no firmware fix or another model that works with the > same ID. If a model is relatively new and/or the vendor often updates > the firmware, such an entry can be risky, too. > > > thanks, > > Takashi > > -- 8< -- > --- a/sound/usb/quirks.c > +++ b/sound/usb/quirks.c > @@ -2463,6 +2463,8 @@ static const struct usb_audio_quirk_flags_table quirk_flags_table[] = { > QUIRK_FLAG_DSD_RAW), > DEVICE_FLG(0x2708, 0x0002, /* Audient iD14 */ > QUIRK_FLAG_IGNORE_CTL_ERROR), > + DEVICE_FLG(0x2772, 0x0502, /* Musical Fidelity M6s DAC */ > + 0), /* for avoiding QUIRK_FLAG_DSD_RAW with vendor match */ > DEVICE_FLG(0x2912, 0x30c8, /* Audioengine D1 */ > QUIRK_FLAG_GET_SAMPLE_RATE), > DEVICE_FLG(0x2a70, 0x1881, /* OnePlus Technology (Shenzhen) Co., Ltd. BE02T */ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [REGRESSION] snd-usb-audio: commit da3a7efff64e ("ALSA: usb-audio: Update for native DSD support quirks") breaks DSD playback on Musical Fidelity M6s DAC (2772:0502), plays ~8.8% fast 2026-07-09 7:54 ` Salvador Blaya @ 2026-07-09 8:29 ` Jussi Laako 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Jussi Laako @ 2026-07-09 8:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Salvador Blaya; +Cc: Takashi Iwai, alsa-devel, regressions Hi Salvador, No, native DSD with the M3x and M6x for example didn’t work before I added the vendor flag. That is precisely why I added it. By the way, you can also just convert everything to 48k-base DSD during playback and then the playback speed is correct. It is common that DACs play 48k-base DSD with 44.1k-base clock (or just go silent or play noise), but in this case it seems to be another way around. Best regards, - Jussi > On 9. Jul 2026, at 10.54, Salvador Blaya <tiniebla6@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Takashi, > > Thank you - that approach would fit this case well, and the risks you > mention are fortunately minimal here: > > - The M6s DAC has been discontinued for years and the defect was first > reported to the vendor (via their Windows ASIO driver users) back in > 2018, with no firmware fix ever published. I have an inquiry open > with Musical Fidelity about firmware and will report back if > anything changes. > > - The only other model possibly sharing this ID, the M6sR successor, > exhibits the same defect per the Roon thread in my original report, > so an empty entry for 2772:0502 cannot break a working device. The > current MF models known to work with native DSD (M3x, M6x) already > worked before the vendor flag was added, so they use different IDs. > > I'm happy to test the patch on my unit - both that native DSD is no > longer offered (MPD falling back to dsd2pcm as on 6.12.y) and that > normal PCM playback is unaffected. Just let me know. > > Best regards, > > Salvador > > El jue, 9 jul 2026 a las 9:33, Takashi Iwai (<tiwai@suse.de>) escribió: >> >> On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 00:28:00 +0200, >> Jussi Laako wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I don’t think we currently have exclusion method for devices with buggy firmware, which claim to support native DSD, but do it incorrectly. And reverting with device specific white-listing is not a good approach for future maintenance. Having to device-specific white-list each new device appearing on the market from the manufacturer just because some old device is broken is not really a sustainable model. >> >> While I fully agree that white-listing all needed devices won't scale, >> blacklisting the broken device might work. We can an empty quirk >> entry for 2772:0502 for skipping the vendor match, something like >> below, as an ad hoc fix. >> >> Though, this blindly assumes that there aren't so many broken devices, >> and there will be no firmware fix or another model that works with the >> same ID. If a model is relatively new and/or the vendor often updates >> the firmware, such an entry can be risky, too. >> >> >> thanks, >> >> Takashi >> >> -- 8< -- >> --- a/sound/usb/quirks.c >> +++ b/sound/usb/quirks.c >> @@ -2463,6 +2463,8 @@ static const struct usb_audio_quirk_flags_table quirk_flags_table[] = { >> QUIRK_FLAG_DSD_RAW), >> DEVICE_FLG(0x2708, 0x0002, /* Audient iD14 */ >> QUIRK_FLAG_IGNORE_CTL_ERROR), >> + DEVICE_FLG(0x2772, 0x0502, /* Musical Fidelity M6s DAC */ >> + 0), /* for avoiding QUIRK_FLAG_DSD_RAW with vendor match */ >> DEVICE_FLG(0x2912, 0x30c8, /* Audioengine D1 */ >> QUIRK_FLAG_GET_SAMPLE_RATE), >> DEVICE_FLG(0x2a70, 0x1881, /* OnePlus Technology (Shenzhen) Co., Ltd. BE02T */ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [REGRESSION] snd-usb-audio: commit da3a7efff64e ("ALSA: usb-audio: Update for native DSD support quirks") breaks DSD playback on Musical Fidelity M6s DAC (2772:0502), plays ~8.8% fast 2026-07-09 7:33 ` Takashi Iwai 2026-07-09 7:54 ` Salvador Blaya @ 2026-07-09 8:34 ` Jussi Laako 2026-07-09 9:54 ` Takashi Iwai 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Jussi Laako @ 2026-07-09 8:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: Salvador Blaya, alsa-devel, regressions This is of course OK for me if it works. The newer Musical Fidelity devices work fine. For example M3x, M6x, M8x, MX and likely upcoming new ones. So I would rather go with blacklisting broken ones. - Jussi > On 9. Jul 2026, at 10.33, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote: > > On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 00:28:00 +0200, > Jussi Laako wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I don’t think we currently have exclusion method for devices with buggy firmware, which claim to support native DSD, but do it incorrectly. And reverting with device specific white-listing is not a good approach for future maintenance. Having to device-specific white-list each new device appearing on the market from the manufacturer just because some old device is broken is not really a sustainable model. > > While I fully agree that white-listing all needed devices won't scale, > blacklisting the broken device might work. We can an empty quirk > entry for 2772:0502 for skipping the vendor match, something like > below, as an ad hoc fix. > > Though, this blindly assumes that there aren't so many broken devices, > and there will be no firmware fix or another model that works with the > same ID. If a model is relatively new and/or the vendor often updates > the firmware, such an entry can be risky, too. > > > thanks, > > Takashi > > -- 8< -- > --- a/sound/usb/quirks.c > +++ b/sound/usb/quirks.c > @@ -2463,6 +2463,8 @@ static const struct usb_audio_quirk_flags_table quirk_flags_table[] = { > QUIRK_FLAG_DSD_RAW), > DEVICE_FLG(0x2708, 0x0002, /* Audient iD14 */ > QUIRK_FLAG_IGNORE_CTL_ERROR), > + DEVICE_FLG(0x2772, 0x0502, /* Musical Fidelity M6s DAC */ > + 0), /* for avoiding QUIRK_FLAG_DSD_RAW with vendor match */ > DEVICE_FLG(0x2912, 0x30c8, /* Audioengine D1 */ > QUIRK_FLAG_GET_SAMPLE_RATE), > DEVICE_FLG(0x2a70, 0x1881, /* OnePlus Technology (Shenzhen) Co., Ltd. BE02T */ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [REGRESSION] snd-usb-audio: commit da3a7efff64e ("ALSA: usb-audio: Update for native DSD support quirks") breaks DSD playback on Musical Fidelity M6s DAC (2772:0502), plays ~8.8% fast 2026-07-09 8:34 ` Jussi Laako @ 2026-07-09 9:54 ` Takashi Iwai 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Takashi Iwai @ 2026-07-09 9:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jussi Laako; +Cc: Salvador Blaya, alsa-devel, regressions On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 10:34:44 +0200, Jussi Laako wrote: > > This is of course OK for me if it works. The newer Musical Fidelity devices work fine. For example M3x, M6x, M8x, MX and likely upcoming new ones. > > So I would rather go with blacklisting broken ones. OK, I'll submit the fix patch. Takashi ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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