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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, devel@lists.libvirt.org,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dave@treblig.org>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@mailo.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/35] monitor: turn QMP and HMP into QOM objects
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2026 15:41:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ik6y4yk9.fsf@pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <akTOGzFdz3_0Np-U@redhat.com> ("Daniel P. Berrangé"'s message of "Wed, 1 Jul 2026 09:21:47 +0100")

Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> writes:

> On Wed, Jul 01, 2026 at 09:52:44AM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> writes:
>> 
>> > Conceptually -object and object_add/object_del should be sufficient
>> > for essentially all QEMU configuration....if only we ported all our
>> > internal custom backends/devices/etc to QOM. That is of course a big
>> > job which is why it hasn't happened.
>> >
>> > This series started with the premise that the monitor is one of the
>> > easier areas to convert since we have no more than three classes,
>> > a common base, and QMP and HMP subclasses[1]. So why not give it a
>> > go and thus unlock the ability to dynamically create/delete monitors
>> > in QMP/HMP.
>> >
>> > This series does the conversion in a great many small steps to better
>> > understand the implications at each stage.
>> >
>> > The high level outcome of this series is
>> >
>> >  * HMP and QMP monitors are QOM objects, 'monitor-hmp' and
>> >    'monitor-qmp' respectively
>> >
>> >  * Both can be cold plugged and hot plugged. QMP only, can
>> >    also be hot unplugged.
>> >
>> >  * '-mon' is obsolete, deprecated and replaced by '-object',
>> >    but -monitor, -qmp and kept  as high level syntax sugar
>> 
>> Possible additional work: change monitor_parse() to build a
>> MonitorOptions instead of a QemuOpts, so it call monitor_new() directly
>> instead of via monitor_new_opts().  Observation, not a demand.
>> 
>> >
>> >  * QMP gains a concept of "close-action" which makes it
>> >    possible to mark a monitor for auto-delete.
>> 
>> I'm not quite convinced this is warranted.  I'd like to hear more about
>> use cases.
>
> Replied about that inline to the patch. IMHO without this facility
> the series does not fully address the needs of systemd that motivated
> the original patches:
>
>   https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2026-04/msg01349.html
>
>> Is libvirt going to make use of it?
>
> This wasn't motivated by libvirt's needs, but indeed it could be
> useful for libvirt. Currently if apps want to access QMP, they
> need to use libvirt's QMP passthrough, which means they need
> special client code to talk to libvirt APIs.
>
> With this libvirt could dynamically add a monitor, with auto
> close, open it and pass the open FD back to the client app.
> libvirt would not need to watch for when the client app is
> gone as dropping the FD would cleanup the monitor.

Alright, that's fair.  The management application doesn't spawn
something that wants a dedicated monitor, it makes one for a client.

Would this fit into a commit message somewhere?

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-01 13:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-24 17:37 [PATCH v5 00/35] monitor: turn QMP and HMP into QOM objects Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 01/35] qom: replace 'can_be_deleted' with 'prepare_delete' Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-30  7:34   ` Markus Armbruster
2026-06-30  9:16     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-01 13:03       ` Markus Armbruster
2026-07-01 13:08         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 02/35] monitor: replace 'common' with 'parent_obj' in MonitorHMP Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 03/35] monitor: replace 'common' with 'parent_obj' in MonitorQMP Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 04/35] monitor: rename monitor_init* to monitor_new* Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 05/35] monitor: minimal conversion of monitors to QOM Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-30 11:55   ` Markus Armbruster
2026-06-30 12:43     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-01 13:19       ` Markus Armbruster
2026-07-01 13:26         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-02 13:10         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-03 11:42           ` Markus Armbruster
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 06/35] monitor: add 'chardev' property to Monitor base class Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 07/35] monitor: add 'readline' property to HMP Monitor class Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 08/35] monitor: add 'pretty' property to QMP " Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 09/35] monitor: remove 'skip_flush' field Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 10/35] monitor: move monitor_data_(init|destroy) into QOM init/finalize Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 11/35] monitor: use class methods for monitor_vprintf Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 12/35] monitor: use class methods for monitor_qapi_event_emit Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 13/35] monitor: use class methods for monitor_accept_input Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 14/35] monitor: use class method for I/O thread request Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 15/35] monitor: use dynamic cast in monitor_qmp_requests_pop_any_with_lock Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 16/35] util: use dynamic cast in error vreport Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 17/35] monitor: drop unused monitor_cur_is_qmp Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 18/35] monitor: use dynamic cast in QMP commands Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 19/35] monitor: use dynamic cast in monitor_is_hmp_non_interactive Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 20/35] monitor: drop unused monitor_is_qmp method Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 21/35] monitor: eliminate monitor_is_hmp_non_interactive method Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 22/35] monitor: implement "user creatable" interface for adding monitors Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-30 14:55   ` Markus Armbruster
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 23/35] monitor: convert from oneshot BH to persistent BH Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 24/35] monitor: reject attempts to delete the current monitor Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 25/35] monitor: protect qemu_chr_fe_accept_input with monitor lock Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 26/35] monitor: implement support for deleting QMP objects Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 27/35] tests/qtest: add tests for dynamic monitor add/remove Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 28/35] tests/functional: add e2e test for dynamic QMP monitor hotplug Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 29/35] tests/functional: add a stress test for monitor hot unplug Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 30/35] qom: add method for getting the "id" of a QOM object Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-01 12:57   ` Markus Armbruster
2026-07-01 13:00     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 31/35] qom: add trace events for user creatable create/delete APIs Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 32/35] monitor: add support for auto-deleting monitors upon close Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 20:47   ` marcandre.lureau
2026-07-01  6:32     ` Markus Armbruster
2026-07-01  8:10       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-01 13:37         ` Markus Armbruster
2026-07-01 13:45           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-01 14:19             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-07-02 13:32       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-02 14:07         ` Markus Armbruster
2026-07-02 14:10           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 33/35] tests: switch from -mon to -object monitor-qmp Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-01  7:35   ` Markus Armbruster
2026-07-01  8:14     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 34/35] qemu-options: document new monitor-hmp and monitor-qmp objects Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-01  7:27   ` Markus Armbruster
2026-07-01  8:16     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v5 35/35] docs: mark '-mon' as deprecated in favour of -object Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-01 13:00   ` Markus Armbruster
2026-06-26 13:35 ` [PATCH v5 00/35] monitor: turn QMP and HMP into QOM objects Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-29 11:01   ` Markus Armbruster
2026-06-29 11:06     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-06-30 12:22       ` Markus Armbruster
2026-07-01  7:52 ` Markus Armbruster
2026-07-01  8:21   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-07-01 13:41     ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2026-07-01 13:46       ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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