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From: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
	ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Song Liu <song@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Maintainer burnout
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 18:31:37 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lee98z3a.fsf@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230817102210.0b17f985@gandalf.local.home>

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 15:00:57 +0300
> Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023, Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org> wrote:
>> > In so far as making it possible to get b) to help, my current excitement
>> > surrounds around what Song Liu mentioned to me at LSFMM and then
>> > quickly demonstrated that the eBPF folks are doing with patchwork.
>> > Get the patches to be tested automatically, and *immediately*
>> > patch reviewers and maintainers can get feedback if something is not even
>> > worth reviewing.  
>> 
>> I'm all for automated testing and CI, and all i915 patches get tested
>> before merging. But requiring everything to pass before a human so much
>> as looks at it can be incredibly demotivating for contributors. For
>> example, if they polish the contribution, and take all corner cases into
>> consideration to pass the tests... and then get told their design is all
>> wrong and needs to be redone from scratch. It's a balance.
>>
>
> For big new features, I agree. They shouldn't need to pass all tests. I
> think anything that has an [RFC] subject should bypass the test
> requirements. But I get a bunch of fixes patches, that fail tests all the
> time. If you are sending a fix to something that causes a regression, the
> maintainer should not be involved. Automated tests should be enough to tell
> the submitter to go back and redo their patch.

Agreed.

BR,
Jani.

-- 
Jani Nikula, Intel Open Source Graphics Center

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-17 15:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-16 18:08 [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Maintainer burnout Josef Bacik
2023-08-16 20:14 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-08-17  9:39   ` Laurent Pinchart
2023-08-17 12:36     ` Andrew Lunn
2023-08-17 15:19       ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-08-17 23:54         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-08-18 13:55           ` Linus Walleij
2023-08-18 15:09             ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-08-18 17:07               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-19  6:45                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-08-21 15:35                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2023-08-22  7:41                     ` Jiri Kosina
2023-08-22  9:05                       ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-08-22 10:13                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-08-22 11:25                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2023-08-21 19:23                   ` Vegard Nossum
2023-08-22  4:07                     ` Dave Airlie
2023-08-22  9:46                     ` Jan Kara
2023-08-22 10:10                       ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-22 10:20                         ` Jan Kara
2023-08-22 11:29                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2023-08-22 11:05                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-08-22 11:32                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2023-08-22 13:47                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-08-22 13:30                         ` Jan Kara
2023-08-29 12:54                     ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-13  9:02                     ` Dan Carpenter
2023-08-21  8:50                 ` Daniel Vetter
2023-08-21 15:18                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-08-22  4:12                   ` Dave Airlie
2023-08-18 15:26             ` Laurent Pinchart
2023-08-18 15:40               ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2023-08-18 18:36                 ` Mark Brown
2023-08-21 16:13                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2023-08-18 16:10               ` Mark Brown
2023-08-21 16:04                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2023-08-24 21:30               ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-08-25  7:05                 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2023-08-17 12:00   ` Jani Nikula
2023-08-17 12:17     ` Mark Brown
2023-08-17 12:42       ` Laurent Pinchart
2023-08-17 13:56         ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-08-17 15:03           ` Laurent Pinchart
2023-08-17 17:41             ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-08-18 15:30               ` Laurent Pinchart
2023-08-18 16:23                 ` Mark Brown
2023-08-18 17:17                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2023-08-18 18:00                     ` Mark Brown
2023-08-17 14:46         ` Mark Brown
2023-08-17 14:22     ` Steven Rostedt
2023-08-17 15:31       ` Jani Nikula [this message]
2023-08-17 14:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-08-17 15:33   ` Josef Bacik
2023-08-17 17:10     ` Rodrigo Vivi

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