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From: Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Christophe Leroy <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"rostedt@goodmis.org" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"aik@ozlabs.ru" <aik@ozlabs.ru>,
	Sathvika Vasireddy <sv@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Naveen N. Rao" <naveen.n.rao@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/3] objtool/mcount: Add powerpc specific functions
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 23:01:38 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mth9ezml.fsf@mpe.ellerman.id.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220328195920.dqlfra3lcardko6r@treble>

Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> writes:
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 09:09:20AM +0000, Christophe Leroy wrote:
>> Second point is the endianess and 32/64 selection, especially when 
>> crossbuilding. There is already some stuff regarding endianess based on 
>> bswap_if_needed() but that's based on constant selection at build time 
>> and I couldn't find an easy way to set it conditionaly based on the 
>> target being built.
>>
>> Regarding 32/64 selection, there is almost nothing, it's based on using 
>> type 'long' which means that at the time being the target and the build 
>> platform must both be 32 bits or 64 bits.
>> 
>> For both cases (endianess and 32/64) I think the solution should 
>> probably be to start with the fileformat of the object file being 
>> reworked by objtool.
>
> Do we really need to detect the endianness/bitness at runtime?  Objtool
> is built with the kernel, why not just build-in the same target
> assumptions as the kernel itself?

I don't think we need runtime detection. But it will need to support
basically most combinations of objtool running as 32-bit/64-bit LE/BE
while the kernel it's analysing is 32-bit/64-bit LE/BE.

>> What are current works in progress on objtool ? Should I wait Josh's 
>> changes before starting looking at all this ? Should I wait for anything 
>> else ?
>
> I'm not making any major changes to the code, just shuffling things
> around to make the interface more modular.  I hope to have something
> soon (this week).  Peter recently added a big feature (Intel IBT) which
> is already in -next.
>
> Contributions are welcome, with the understanding that you'll help
> maintain it ;-)
>
> Some years ago Kamalesh Babulal had a prototype of objtool for ppc64le
> which did the full stack validation.  I'm not sure what ever became of
> that.

From memory he was starting to clean the patches up in late 2019, but I
guess that probably got derailed by COVID. AFAIK he never posted
anything. Maybe someone at IBM has a copy internally (Naveen?).

> FWIW, there have been some objtool patches for arm64 stack validation,
> but the arm64 maintainers have been hesitant to get on board with
> objtool, as it brings a certain maintenance burden.  Especially for the
> full stack validation and ORC unwinder.  But if you only want inline
> static calls and/or mcount then it'd probably be much easier to
> maintain.

I would like to have the stack validation, but I am also worried about
the maintenance burden.

I guess we start with mcount, which looks pretty minimal judging by this
series, and see how we go from there.

cheers

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Christophe Leroy <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"rostedt@goodmis.org" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"aik@ozlabs.ru" <aik@ozlabs.ru>,
	Sathvika Vasireddy <sv@linux.ibm.com>,
	"naveen.n.rao@linux.vnet.ibm.com"
	<naveen.n.rao@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"Naveen N. Rao" <naveen.n.rao@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/3] objtool/mcount: Add powerpc specific functions
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 23:01:38 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mth9ezml.fsf@mpe.ellerman.id.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220328195920.dqlfra3lcardko6r@treble>

Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> writes:
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 09:09:20AM +0000, Christophe Leroy wrote:
>> Second point is the endianess and 32/64 selection, especially when 
>> crossbuilding. There is already some stuff regarding endianess based on 
>> bswap_if_needed() but that's based on constant selection at build time 
>> and I couldn't find an easy way to set it conditionaly based on the 
>> target being built.
>>
>> Regarding 32/64 selection, there is almost nothing, it's based on using 
>> type 'long' which means that at the time being the target and the build 
>> platform must both be 32 bits or 64 bits.
>> 
>> For both cases (endianess and 32/64) I think the solution should 
>> probably be to start with the fileformat of the object file being 
>> reworked by objtool.
>
> Do we really need to detect the endianness/bitness at runtime?  Objtool
> is built with the kernel, why not just build-in the same target
> assumptions as the kernel itself?

I don't think we need runtime detection. But it will need to support
basically most combinations of objtool running as 32-bit/64-bit LE/BE
while the kernel it's analysing is 32-bit/64-bit LE/BE.

>> What are current works in progress on objtool ? Should I wait Josh's 
>> changes before starting looking at all this ? Should I wait for anything 
>> else ?
>
> I'm not making any major changes to the code, just shuffling things
> around to make the interface more modular.  I hope to have something
> soon (this week).  Peter recently added a big feature (Intel IBT) which
> is already in -next.
>
> Contributions are welcome, with the understanding that you'll help
> maintain it ;-)
>
> Some years ago Kamalesh Babulal had a prototype of objtool for ppc64le
> which did the full stack validation.  I'm not sure what ever became of
> that.

From memory he was starting to clean the patches up in late 2019, but I
guess that probably got derailed by COVID. AFAIK he never posted
anything. Maybe someone at IBM has a copy internally (Naveen?).

> FWIW, there have been some objtool patches for arm64 stack validation,
> but the arm64 maintainers have been hesitant to get on board with
> objtool, as it brings a certain maintenance burden.  Especially for the
> full stack validation and ORC unwinder.  But if you only want inline
> static calls and/or mcount then it'd probably be much easier to
> maintain.

I would like to have the stack validation, but I am also worried about
the maintenance burden.

I guess we start with mcount, which looks pretty minimal judging by this
series, and see how we go from there.

cheers

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-03-29 12:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-18 10:51 [RFC PATCH 0/3] objtool: Add mcount sub-command Sathvika Vasireddy
2022-03-18 10:51 ` Sathvika Vasireddy
2022-03-18 10:51 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] objtool: Move common code to utils.c Sathvika Vasireddy
2022-03-18 10:51   ` Sathvika Vasireddy
2022-03-23 18:02   ` Miroslav Benes
2022-03-23 18:02     ` Miroslav Benes
2022-03-18 10:51 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] objtool: Enable and implement 'mcount' subcommand Sathvika Vasireddy
2022-03-18 10:51   ` Sathvika Vasireddy
2022-03-21  7:06   ` Christophe Leroy
2022-03-21  8:19     ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-03-21  8:19       ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-03-21  8:26       ` Christophe Leroy
2022-03-21  8:26         ` Christophe Leroy
2022-03-21  9:48         ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-03-21  9:48           ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-03-18 10:51 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] objtool/mcount: Add powerpc specific functions Sathvika Vasireddy
2022-03-18 10:51   ` Sathvika Vasireddy
2022-03-18 12:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-18 12:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-18 13:59     ` Christophe Leroy
2022-03-18 13:59       ` Christophe Leroy
2022-03-21  2:27       ` Michael Ellerman
2022-03-21  6:47         ` Christophe Leroy
2022-03-21  7:46         ` Christophe Leroy
2022-03-21  7:56         ` Christophe Leroy
2022-03-21  8:30           ` Christophe Leroy
2022-03-21  8:59             ` Christophe Leroy
2022-03-26  7:58           ` Christophe Leroy
2022-03-26  7:58             ` Christophe Leroy
2022-03-21  6:25     ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-03-21  6:25       ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-03-27  9:09     ` Christophe Leroy
2022-03-27  9:09       ` Christophe Leroy
2022-03-28 19:59       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-03-28 19:59         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-03-28 20:14         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-28 20:14           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-28 20:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-28 20:15             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-28 20:21           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-03-28 20:21             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-03-29 12:01         ` Michael Ellerman [this message]
2022-03-29 12:01           ` Michael Ellerman
2022-03-29 17:32           ` Christophe Leroy
2022-03-30  4:26             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-03-30  4:26               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-03-30 18:40             ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-03-30 18:40               ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-05-12 14:52         ` Christophe Leroy
2022-05-12 14:52           ` Christophe Leroy
2022-05-12 15:12           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-05-12 15:12             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-05-21  9:38             ` Christophe Leroy
2022-05-21  9:38               ` Christophe Leroy
2022-05-21 10:57               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-21 10:57                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-23  5:39                 ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-05-23  5:39                   ` Naveen N. Rao
2022-03-19  1:35 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] objtool: Add mcount sub-command Josh Poimboeuf
2022-03-19  1:35   ` Josh Poimboeuf

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